So Heinz,

If you had to develop a new system , assuming that they were all marketed
equally , what language would it be in  ?

Regards
Prakash Harri

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Dr Heinz M. Kabutz
<heinz@java...> wrote:

>  In my opinion, Java is a terrible language.  It is the COBOL of the 21st
> century, just worse.  There are so many flaws and hacks in the language, for
> example, autoboxing, generics, varargs, assertions, just to name a few.  It
> is really hard to get concurrency correct in Java.  Building GUIs is awkward
> at best.  The GC is convenient, but makes developers sloppy and lazy.
>
> However, using Java, as opposed to anything else, is a no-brainer.  Java is
> the best *marketed* language.  You mention Java to anyone and they will
> have heard of the brand.  It runs on billions of cell phones.  So whilst the
> actual language is rubbish, the surrounding infrastructure (marketing, open
> source tools, forum support, JVM) is the best in the world.  That is what
> should be driving your decision, rather than the specific merits of the
> language as such.
>
> (Now you've heard it from a *Java Champion* ... ;-)
>
> Regards
>
> Heinz
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>
> Glen Verran wrote:
>
> Johan, Brian,
>
> I've been developing in Java since 1999 or was it 2000, can't seem to recall and I've never looked back.  The language hasn't changed much, but the technologies that have been built around it have, since those early days.
>
> I still remember in the early days when heated discussions between Java and .net developers were about which language is better.  I don't see this happening any more as much as it did.  Both sides have realised the benefits each language has to offer.  Each language has its pros and cons.  It is said that .net developers are more productive than Java developers because of the tools that are available in .net out of the box where us Java guys have to rely on many 3rd party open source libraries to get the functionality that we need, even if it is getting a web service going. Not to mention the lack of extensive documentation on these libraries too, which makes the learning curve of a new technology much longer.  But that learning curve benefits you a lot because most of the time, you'll get right under the skin and learn about how the technology works in detail as well.
>
> But Java is a great language and is well supported and if you decide to go with either Java or .net, it is a decision you won't regret at all.
>
> ~Glen
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CTJUG-Forum@goog... [mailto:CTJUG-Forum@goog... <CTJUG-Forum@goog...>] On Behalf Of Brian Silberbauer
> Sent: 04 June 2009 09:38
> To: CTJUG-Forum@goog...
> Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: To use, or not to use Java
>
>
> Hi Johan
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Johan Mynhardt <johanmynhardt@gmai...> <johanmynhardt@gmai...> wrote:
>
>
>  Hi everyone,
> This question (To use, or not to use Java) have been around my mind
> for quite some time.
>
>
>  I had the same question in 1999, so I started the JUG to find out if anybody was using java in Cape Town and found a lot of people who were!  (Jeff, we need a ten year anniversary!)
>
>
>
>  I'm still young in the world of my future, but I'm rather set to use
> Java, no matter who says what. On the other hand, am I just being
> blunt for "ignoring" people's views on Java?
>
>
>
>  Well, contrary to popular belief, it doesn't increase your dating potential.
>
>
>
>   From my personal research, if I can call it that, I've found that
> Java isn't just some toy if I may put it that way. When in discussion
> on Java, people ask me "...but where is Java? I don't see it.".
> Silently I just think of all the big names that uses Java in the
> enterprise to run their business and just question the ability of
> other technologies to match or even beat that.
>
>
>  >From everything I've seen, Java is the most used language, then C, then C++, then the unwashed.
>
> Have a look at this indexhttp://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html.
>
> Java hit its stride in about 2000 when people recognized it power for running dynamic web sites, it got its next popularity hit when it moved to mobile (so java literally surrounds you in 90% of cellphones)
>
>
>
>  Am I the odd one out that does as I usually do, swimming upstream, or
> do I have valid support for my "beliefs"? I do know that if I say I
> believe in Java, people will criticize me on the point of myself
> seeing Java as a "religion".
>
>
>  Java is lining ones and zero up in a useful way, there are other ways of doing it too.
>
>
>
>  If anyone can direct me as to where I can search for decent articles
> on Java vs. anything I'd appreciate it. Not just some articles that
> make it look like it's biased towards anything.
>
>
>
>  The link above should help, heres another http://www.devtopics.com/most-popular-programming-languages/
>
>    Thanks in advance for anyone's help.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Johan
>
>
>
>  Have fun!
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
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