You guys might find a blog post I wrote a while ago on this topic interesting:

http://leshazlewood.com/2010/01/13/maven-2-vs-antivy-revisited/

For the purpose of the post, I lump Gradle in there with Ant+Ivy.

My beliefs in build systems are rooted in team productivity and
maintainability, not whether or not you can thrash something out
quickly.  I explain my reasoning in detail in the post.

Cheers,

Les

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Ramesh Rajamani
<rameshrajamani@hotm...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for this conversation. I like maven and Git.
>
>
> Developement / Testing  team  perspective :
>
> Simple reason for me liking the maven build is , In 2005, i work for the
> project at IBM and i have developed and manage build for three different
> applications.
>
> When i start developing the build, i have used to write build xml and run
> ant locally for development box. But when i think of automating the very
> same build code and integrating with many systems for example : you kick the
> build in the development box and trasfer the war / ear file to the testing
> system and then in the testing system , the scheduler starts the build,
> likewise for the UAT and Production. I think today, maven / git / jenkins
> eases these job.
>
> Management perspective :
>
>  I have also been part of the build management wherein we check for the
> traceability matrics while we move the code from development to testing
> using lotus db updation of each build items. The items goes into each build
> stored in the lotus db and the developer's in the project has to update
> these build items once they finish the developement. I think today , maven /
> git / jenkins eases these job too.
>
>
> Thanks,
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:26:57 -0500
> To: ajug-members@ajug...
> Subject: Re: [ajug-members] Reactions to the Jigsaw announcement
>
>
> I second what what Summers said (even the Netbeans part).  I can open up any
> project in our repository and immediately build and run it in NB.
>
> I am open to Gradle, scripting would be nice, and from what I have seen it
> should have the same capabilities for any ide to be able to read it w/o
> maintaining it's own project metadata files (phases that setup a project
> structure).  However, I think it would be difficult for the ide to modify it
> and it's easy enough to embed groovy scripts in the pom file.  Not sure
> where the IDE support is with gradle yet.
>
> kw
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Charles Walker <maverick67@gmai...>
> wrote:
>
> Wow!   Do I take a left or right at the unicorn to get to your world? ;)
>
> I like the principles behind maven but the implementation stinks.  I've
> gladly left maven behind for gradle.
>
> On Jul 25, 2012 9:00 PM, "Summers Pittman ℝ" <secondsun@gmai...> wrote:
>
> The kind of hell where I don't have multi module projects, do have a stable
> Nexus install, use Netbeans regularly, and appreciate the ability to demo
> applications very very quickly on any machine.  `mvn jetty:run` is just
> awesome.
>
>
> Summers Pittman
>>>Phone:912 293 2314
>>>Java is my crack.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Charles Walker <maverick67@gmai...>
> wrote:
>
> What kind of hell are you living in where maven eases anything? ;)
>
> On Jul 25, 2012 2:09 PM, "Kerry Wilson" <kerry@allt...> wrote:
>
> Whatever gets lambda expressions and collection literals to me sooner.
> Modules would be nice, but like you said, Maven eases the suffering on that
> front.
>
> kw
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Summers Pittman ℝ <secondsun@gmai...>
> wrote:
>
>
> For those of you who don't know, it looks like Jigsaw is going to be in Java
> 9.  (For those of you who doubly don't know, Jigsaw is an effort to bake
> modularity into java AND break the platform into smaller modules.)
>
> On the one hand, Sun showed this tech off 5 years ago, on the other hand if
> it isn't going to be ready it isn't going to be ready.  As long as you don't
> have problems with your libraries requiring different, incompatible versions
> of other libraries Maven (and things which use Mavens repositories) goes a
> long way to ease that pain.  However, I do get jealous when I see things
> like node where one can declare a dependency and it resolves and downloads
> it automatically without a third party tool.
>
> Summers Pittman
>>>Phone:912 293 2314
>>>Java is my crack.
>
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