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a : anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net 26 July 2012 • 10:26PM -0400

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Manual vs automated reports
by peter h

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On Wednesday 25 July 2012 17.39, "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" wrote:
> Arnold
> Do a Whois lookup on any IP in As39122
> You should see an abuse contact....
>
> Yet we still get reports sent to accounts@ sales@ etc.,

Not that strange :
> whois blacknight.tel
Domain Name:                                 BLACKNIGHT.TEL
Domain ID:                                   D591748-TEL
Sponsoring Registrar:                        BLACKNIGHT INTERNET SOLUTIONS LTD
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID:                1448
Registrar URL (registration services):       www.blacknight.com
Domain Status:                               clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID:                               TUDHRH3SZ9DINEQF
Registrant Name:                             Michele Neylon
Registrant Organization:                     Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd
Registrant Address1:                         Barrowside Business Park
Registrant Address2:                         Unit 12a
Registrant Address3:                         Sleaty Road
Registrant City:                             Carlow
Registrant State/Province:                   Co Carlow
Registrant Postal Code:                      000000
Registrant Country:                          Ireland
Registrant Country Code:                     IE
Registrant Phone Number:                     +353.599183072
Registrant Email:                            management@blac...
Administrative Contact ID:                   TURPH7M0XB4O2DZO
Administrative Contact Name:                 Michele Neylon
Administrative Contact Organization:         Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd
Administrative Contact Address1:             Barrowside Business Park
Administrative Contact Address2:             Unit 12a
Administrative Contact Address3:             Sleaty Road
Administrative Contact City:                 Carlow
Administrative Contact State/Province:       Co Carlow
Administrative Contact Postal Code:          000000
Administrative Contact Country:              Ireland
Administrative Contact Country Code:         IE
Administrative Contact Phone Number:         +353.599183072
Administrative Contact Email:                management@blac...
Billing Contact ID:                          TURO0PYDHUERE11M
Billing Contact Name:                        Michele Neylon
Billing Contact Organization:                Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd
Billing Contact Address1:                    Barrowside Business Park
Billing Contact Address2:                    Unit 12a
Billing Contact Address3:                    Sleaty Road
Billing Contact City:                        Carlow
Billing Contact State/Province:              Co Carlow
Billing Contact Postal Code:                 000000
Billing Contact Country:                     Ireland
Billing Contact Country Code:                IE
Billing Contact Phone Number:                +353.599183072
Billing Contact Email:                       management@blac...
Technical Contact ID:                        TUJJC18TGSETV3QQ
Technical Contact Name:                      Michele Neylon
Technical Contact Organization:              Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd
Technical Contact Address1:                  Barrowside Business Park
Technical Contact Address2:                  Unit 12a
Technical Contact Address3:                  Sleaty Road
Technical Contact City:                      Carlow
Technical Contact State/Province:            Co Carlow
Technical Contact Postal Code:               000000
Technical Contact Country:                   Ireland
Technical Contact Country Code:              IE
Technical Contact Phone Number:              +353.599183072
Technical Contact Email:                     management@blac...
Name Server:                                 A0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL
Name Server:                                 D0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL
Name Server:                                 N0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL
Name Server:                                 S0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL
Name Server:                                 T0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL
Created by Registrar:                        INJECTCSR
Last Updated by Registrar:                   BLACKNIGHT INTERNET SOLUTIONS LTD
Last Transferred Date:                       Wed Mar 02 23:46:19 GMT 2011
Domain Registration Date:                    Mon Mar 23 23:59:59 GMT 2009
Domain Expiration Date:                      Sat Mar 22 23:59:59 GMT 2014
Domain Last Updated Date:                    Wed Feb 15 15:43:42 GMT 2012
Registrar Fields
----------------
TrademarkRegistrationDate:                   2006/10/26

>>>> Whois database was last updated on: Thu Jul 26 14:18:37 GMT 2012 <<<<



There is no "abuse" address for someone searching for "blacknight.tel"


>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> Mr. Michele Neylon
> Blacknight
> http://Blacknight.tel
>
> Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity
>
> On 25 Jul 2012, at 16:25, "Arnold" <wiegert@telu...> wrote:
>
> > On 25/07/2012 6:52 AM, Frank Gadegast wrote:
> >> "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >>> If they send reports to $random addresses they don't really deserve a response
> >>
> >> Thats a true word for prefessionals, but not for not-so-skilled
> >> reporter, that are happy to find out, that there is something like RIPE
> >> and a whois showing them who is responsible for a resource, if they
> >> get abused.
> > I have to agree with this.
> > As a purely 'amateur' reporter, The WhoIs record is all I can rely on
> > as an _officially_ published record to report my complaint.
> > There are other ways, but none are as easy to use and as official.
> >
> > If the people responsible for reducing SPAM won't do anything to make
> > it easier by at least enforcing a proper abuse address in the expected
> > and designated place, then it makes the job of reporting and reducing
> > SPAM that  much harder.
> >
> > No matter what you will do, publishing  any address opens the door to
> > receiving SPAM, but ... why complain about it; use the information
> > provided by this SPAM in the same way you expect any other user
> > to use it - except you won't need me to report it to you :-)
> >
> > Arnold
> >
> > --
> > Fight Spam - report it with wxSR
> > http://www.columbinehoney.net/wxSR.shtml
> >
> >
>
>
>

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