Hii Sandy,

The rapture definitely comes before the peace treaty.  The anti christ brings about the world wide peace treaty and this is the sign the 7 year trib begins.

I'm trusting in Jesus, but at times I get anxious.  God is teaching me to walk one step at a time and not worry about next week or next month.  This is a hard lesson for me, I come from a long line of worriers.  Hopefully, I can break the habit before I'm too old...

Thanks for your prayers, I'll try to write you off line this week.

Cheri



On Oct 23, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Sandy Wagner <mswagner4@msn....> wrote:

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> Cheri:
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> How are things with you?  Please know you are in my prayers daily and if you want to e-mail me off list, that would be great.
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> Do you think the 7 year peace treaty is definitely a sign prior to the Rapture - or could be a final sign as I understand we could be called home before I hit send on this e-mail.  If this is the case, the Middle East is ripe for some peace.  Egypt, Syria, Lybia, US leaving Iraq giving an invitation to Iran to take over this oil rich country.  The kings in Saudia Arabia not getting younger and passing away leaving this open to take over.  So much going on and peace will need to come soon.  
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> God Bless!
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> Sandy  
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> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:21:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: [bible_prophecy-l] Re: Mark update
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> Hi Ken,
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> Thanks, I also take God's word as literal, He can use technology but He doesn't have to. Does He need our help? No, but we are blessed by serving God in faith and obedience. Not for our glory, but His.
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> I feel we are living in the days Jesus talked about when God would send Him to catch up believers so we don't have to go through the time of the anti- christ. He protects His children from harm and will keep us from that terrible time of tribulation.
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> He has promised a blessing to those who look forward to His returning for us! Only God knows when this will be but He has given us signs to watch for. I feel we are seeing some of these today, and those needed to be fulfilled before the Rapture have taken place. There is nothing left to happen before Jesus can return.
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> The one event that will happen right before the trib will be the signing of the 7- yr peace treaty by ALL nations, not some. Those alive at that time, believers being already in heaven, will know, if they remember what they were warned about. Unfortunately, most won't care. However there wil be a revival among the Jewish people who will see Jesus Christ as their Messiah.
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> These are my beliefs.
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> Cheri
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> On Oct 23, 2011, at 4:00 PM, "Ken" <kensch888@nets...> wrote:
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>> Hi All,
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>> I agree with you Cheri, all is all. Our God wouldn’t try to fool us into believing all nations or the whole world and then sneaking it in with almost all nations. How long did it take God to make “all” of the creatures on the earth? Or how long did it take God to make “all” of the stars? I guess some would say we could give God a helping hand and let Him use our Internet or possible broadcast over our media networks, but our God doesn’t need to.
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>> Sure we can go here or there and pull a verse out and say God couldn’t really mean what He said there because of this; oh yes, man knows better.
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>> I always though the mark was to be placed *in* their forehead or *in* their right hand. So now we’re going to engrave the entire World Wide Web magically on men. Could God have made another mistake and really meant the forehead was some mystical place or the right hand might mean the left hand or a mental process that equates to a hand moving a mouse or touching a touch screen.
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>> I’m sorry; either He is God or we believe man is god. Either He wrote the bible using man or man wrote the bible and made mistakes.
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>> My goodness (and I have none) do we serve a God who needs our help in doing things? Are we feeling so superior that we should offer the God of ALL creation help in getting His message out or fulfilling His prophecy? I’ve heard some say John was describing a nuclear war in Revelation or that He was referring to helicopters and not demon monstrosities. Couldn’t it just be our GREAT God showing His greatness.
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>> Maybe I’m just a simple stupid creature who believes God can do anything He wants in any way He wants without my help and if He says something He, having more intelligence than me, doesn’t need me to change His words to help Him out a little here and there. Maybe that’s it; man doesn’t have the intelligence to begin to comprehend the greatness of God and just can’t admit that.
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>> I’m sorry; I’ve been lurking, but I just have to open my mouth because the GOD of ALL creation is GOD. He really is.
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>> YBIC,
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>> Ken
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>> From: bible_prophecy-l@yaho... [mailto:bible_prophecy-l@yaho...] On Behalf Of Cheri
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:26 PM
>> To: bible_prophecy-l@yaho...
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>> I feel the image will be a huge statue or possibly a hologram that the whole world will be able to see due to 24 hour news via media//internet. It will be the image of the beast and worshipped, much like the golden statues were being worshipped when Moses came down from the mountaintop.
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>> The "mark" will be the name of the anti christ, but we believers won't know who this will be, we'll be gone, raptured before he takes over as "king of the world". We might see possibilities appear during our lifetime, but we won't know the meaning of the number of his name or who he will be.
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>> I see the whole world meaning just that, all nations. Due to technology, our world is smaller than ever with instant transactions from one country to another. We can talk face to face through the Internet in real time. I remember during the Vietnam era, we waited weeks for mail to get back and forth, but now we just need a computer and we have immediate communication.
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>> My mom is 90 and the things she as seen invented in her lifetime is mind boggling. I can remember the first television my great aunt bought with a screen not much bigger than my IPad!
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>> God has a plan, John described what God showed him in the language and from the knowledge he had from the time he lived in. I firmly believe when God says a mark, it will be in allegiance to this world leader. There will be no mistaking who people are following when they take the mark, it will not be God.
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>> Cheri
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>> On Oct 22, 2011, at 3:23 AM, "Daniel" <jayjeti@yaho... <mailto:jayjeti%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
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>>> Joel,
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>>> I don't know about the www being 666. Hebrew uses letter/number equvalents. The "waw" which has a "W" sound is used for the number 6. So, www is 666 if you translate that into the Hebrew letter/number system. But I can't make sense of how that works in a mark used for buying and selling.
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>>> In all seven occurances of the mark of the beast, we find the image mentioned in it's immediate context. Neither the image nor the mark ever appear independent of one another. So, they are connected in some way.
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>>> I suspect the image that can speak might be symbolizing the computer network necessary for the mark to complete it's transactions. Computers communicate which is best symbolized by speech. In times past man has made man made objects out of stone and wood, but computers are the first man made object that can actually communicate (speak). So, I wonder if the image that can speak is the computer network. Since the mark and the image always occur in tandem, I think both are involved in making transactions.
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>>> So, I suppose you could say that the world wide web (www/666) could be how we should view that, but I don't about that. I would like to see something more concrete.
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>>> Yes, I have commented that "all" doesn't necessarily mean completely all in scripture, but can be all of a whole, such as when Paul said the goepel message had gone out to the whole world in his day. Of course that was limited to the Roman Empire. Nebuchadnezzar is said to rule all the earth, and the same is said for other empires in Daniel, but we know that it had limitations.
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>>> We can't always compare how we strictly use a word in English to how scripture uses it. In Zech. 14:16-19 it says that "everyone" will come up to Jerusalem to worship the Lord, but then immediately talks about the punishment of those who do not.
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>>> We read in passages like Zech. 14 or Rev. 16 that "all" the nations of the earth will march against Israel. Will Costa Rica be there? They don't even have an army. I don't think it's necessary to always strictly read the word all like we use it in English.
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>>> And of course peoples like the Indians deep in the Amazon jungle will likely not be taking the mark of the beast to buy and sell. The scripture says that he causes "all" to take the mark, but we know from scripture that some are killed for refusing to take it, and there must be tribes deep in jungles who are not even offered it. So, not everyone takes it.
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>>> So, if we look at biblical uses of all or every it's not always the strict interpretation we put on it.
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>>> I think the mark will begin in Europe and spread from there. Just like Rome was not built in a day, I see this system beginning in Europe and spreading. Scripture doesn't say how quickly the world comes under his power, which seems to center around his control of the world's economies. Nations will probably fall in line due to how he can effect their economies.
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>>> I was thinking the same thing you mentioned, that even in less developed areas of the world a lot of people have cell phones. Even Col. Khadafi, when he was shown alive shortly before he died, seemed to have been recorded on someone's cell phone.
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>>> Daniel
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>>> --- In bible_prophecy-l@yaho... <mailto:bible_prophecy-l%40yahoogroups.com> , Portents <portents2@...> wrote:
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>>>> Daniel,
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>>>> That's very interesting. I don't know if it was here on BP_L or on
>>>> another forum, but a writer was making an argument (and I didn't
>>>> really follow the logic of it) that the mark of the beast - 666 -
>>>> could be translated as www and he concluded that this meant the
>>>> internet itself was the mark and that eventually no one will be able
>>>> to buy or sell who is not on the network. I'm not sure I buy that
>>>> argument. The mark is, scripturally speaking, the name or the number
>>>> of the beast, it's a very personal idea tied to a real person, not an
>>>> abstract idea, like a computer network. Still, I had to give the guy
>>>> credit for an interesting spin on the mark and far more compelling
>>>> than other ideas that people have (social security numbers, barcodes,
>>>> etc.) over the years.
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>>>> And to return this to your example of mobile payment systems, we have
>>>> talked before about the infrastructure needed to implement the mark
>>>> and whether the mark is really global in scope.
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>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you making the argument some
>>>> time back that "all" doesn't' necessarily mean all in a global sense
>>>> in the context of a truly universal system that covers all people
>>>> since we recognize that the time required for the entire world to
>>>> adopt the same standard would mean that it would take another century
>>>> or more for the mark to be implemented. It would be enough for it to
>>>> cover only the modern industrialized world because that would include
>>>> the "world" of the focal point of prophecy, namely Israel. The rest of
>>>> the world, those lawless places the still use cash or barter for goods
>>>> and services, would be untouched by the mark just as they are passed
>>>> by the use of debit cards or credit cards.
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>>>> Even though I was troubled by the fast and loose translation of "all"
>>>> in this context as something other than the plain meaning of the word
>>>> I accepted the basic idea. Like you, I've done a fair bit of
>>>> traveling, both to parts of the world more advanced than the U.S. and
>>>> less advanced. And to those of you shocked at the "more advanced"
>>>> part, I'm speaking of technology. There are places in Europe that
>>>> enjoy much higher bandwidth speeds than we do in the U.S. and where
>>>> cards with imbedded chips are the norm, not the exception. Mobile
>>>> commerce is much more advanced in Asia than it is in the states.
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>>>> One of the reasons the U.S. lags is, paradoxically, because our
>>>> domestic market is so big. It's far easier to offer new and better
>>>> technology in a small country or geographic region that it is in a
>>>> large one. This is why we don't have credit cards with chips in them
>>>> because it's expensive to roll out that technology in a large market.
>>>> The same dilemma is evident now with near-field communication chips
>>>> (NFC) that will allow us to pay for things by waiving our mobile
>>>> devices at a reader. It costs money to install readers at every
>>>> checkout counter and companies balk at paying for that when consumer
>>>> demand for this service has not been demonstrated.
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>>>> And this is the problem with the "mark as technology" idea. If the
>>>> mark is an imbedded chip (as many believe) or some other kind of
>>>> technology, it will take time to develop the technology and then roll
>>>> out hardware and software needed to support the technology. And even
>>>> if we accept that this can be done in the advanced economies of the
>>>> world, there will still be large areas of the world (primarily in
>>>> Africa and Asia) where it will never happen, at least, not in our
>>>> lifetimes.
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>>>> But, here's where it gets interesting. Those parts of the world that
>>>> are still developing into industrial societies are in some cases,
>>>> jumping right to post-industrial technology. There are parts of
>>>> Africa, for example, that have never built-out standard landline phone
>>>> service but they have decided to skip that and jump right to cellular
>>>> service. The standard of living may be very low compared to Western
>>>> standards, but they have cell phones.
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>>>> So, in this context, a mobile payment system that allows people to pay
>>>> with their cell phones is very intriguing because it means that those
>>>> parts of the world that I was willing to write off may yet be included
>>>> in the mark system.
>>>>
>>>> Joel
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>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Daniel <jayjeti@...> wrote:
>>>>> I've wondered how in a cashless society, should one ever be implemented, how individuals could make transactions among themselves. Today I saw a commercial where a group were at a restaurant, and they had one bill that everyone needed to chip into to pay. One person paid the restaurant, and the others gave that person their part of the bill by pulling out their cell phones and sending money to his bank account. But one person pulls out his wallet and starts pulling cash out of it, and the others look at him like he's an idiot, and he looks embarrassed. The commercial says all you need is their e-mail address.
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>>>>> I don't have a video of the commercial, but here's something similiar.
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>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uw5bMrZ3wU
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>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_L3Cc9VqI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_L3Cc9VqI&feature=related> &feature=related
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>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEurC8AUB2Y <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEurC8AUB2Y&feature=related> &feature=related
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>>>>> I wonder if some day people might need an implanted chip to work in concert with a cell phone so that someone oould not steal your cell phone and key information and empty your account.
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>>>>> Daniel
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