Am 16.05.2012 16:22, schrieb David Nalesnik:
> Hi Urs,
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Urs Liska <lilyliska@goog...
> <mailto:lilyliska@goog...>> wrote:
>
>     Am 16.05.2012 10:50, schrieb Colin Hall:
>
>         Urs Liska<lilyliska<at> googlemail.com
>         <http://googlemail.com>>  writes:
>
>             The following example shows that staccato points are
>             aligned differently
>             from other articulations when on the stem side.
>
>         Thanks, Urs. I reproduced this on 2.12.3 and 2.15.38 so I have
>         created a tracker
>         here:
>
>         http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2535
>
>         Cheers,
>         Colin.
>
>
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>     But then again, what _is_ intended behaviour?
>     As I understand it the staccato is deliberately placed nearer to
>     the stem.
>
>
> Yes, in script.scm it is assigned a default of 0.5 for
> 'toward-stem-shift, so it appears mid-way between the stem and center
> of the notehead.
>
>     What should be the solution:
>     - align all articulations like the staccato if on the stem side?
>     - align a staccato non-default if there are other articulations
>     present?
>
>
> If you like this last orientation (I do), try this as a workaround:
>
> \version "2.15.38"
>
> #(define stacc-corrector
>   (lambda (ctx)
>     (let ((articulations '())
>           (staccato '()))
>       (make-engraver
>         (acknowledgers ((script-interface engraver grob source-engraver)
>           (set! articulations (cons grob articulations))
>           (if (string= (ly:prob-property (event-cause grob)
> 'articulation-type) "staccato")
>               (set! staccato grob))))
>        ((stop-translation-timestep trans)
>          (if (and (ly:grob? staccato)
>                   (or (> (length articulations) 1)
>                       (boolean? (ly:prob-property (event-cause
> staccato) 'parenthesize))))
>              (set! (ly:grob-property staccato 'toward-stem-shift) 0))
>          (set! articulations '())
>          (set! staccato '()))))))
>
> \relative e'' {
>  e-. -| -- e-\parenthesize -. -|--
>  \voiceTwo
>  e-. -| -- e-\parenthesize -. -|--
>  e-\parenthesize -. e-.
>  \voiceOne
>  e,-- e-. e-\parenthesize -.
> }
>
> \layout {
>   \context {
>     \Staff
>     \consists #stacc-corrector
>   }
> }
> As usual, simpler suggestions welcome!
>
> HTH,
> David
I'll definitely look into this, thank you.
@ Janek: as you know we can't wait for inclusion in LilyPond, I'll at
least incorporate it you know where ;-)
It's for the articulation in op. 3,1 ...

To sum up the discussion:
Am I right that:
- staccato dots are intendedly aligned more towards the stem by default
when on the stem side
- other articulations aren't
- if there happens to be staccato and other articulations present at the
same time
   (when on the stem side) you have an inconsistency.
- This inconsistency isn't a bug but just a problematic situation that
has to be dealt with manually
?

So the issue report has to be either
- marked as invalid or
- changed to a feature request to incorporate David's workaround
?

Best
Urs

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