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Re: [Gimp-web] Gimp-web Digest, Vol 71, Issue 2
by Sam Gleske

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@Jason Simanek: I designed the Enchanted Keyfinder website to incorporate
international translations.

http://ekeyfinder.sourceforge.net/index.php?lang=en&page=download

I understand the design is not the best however I think it is a good method
for handling a multilingual website.  You can download the full source of
the website from the download section and see how I handle the
translations.  I agree with Martin on waiting for 3.0 or even 2.10 to do the
full website revamp but start working now on a solid design.

Sam Gleske



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>   4. Re: new website (Martin Nordholts)
>   5. Re: new website (Jason Simanek)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:55:17 -0700
> From: Carol Spears <carol@gimp...>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] new website
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> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 06:52:40PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > So I spoke to Jimmac, and he told me he has no time to do the new
> > gimp.org. He also said *everything* has to be done. That's IMO a bit
> > of exxageration given some work already done in static-html5 branch.
> > However it still means we need somebody else to do the work, as both
> > Jimmac and Andy Fitzsimon have no time to lead the project, but are
> > ready to help with core stuff.
> >
> you should ask Jimmac a really good question about the "core" stuff
> like what to do about when raphael in 2004 doesn't remember where
> the howto was stashed by raphael in 2002 because from what i could
> very easily see, there is not anyone who knows how to use the
> "core stuff" involved with the web site at this moment in time.
>
> determining the reason that raphael from one year did not know what
> raphael from another year did and if this is a good reason would be
> a very good place to start.
>
> before raphael in 2002 decided that the web site had been abandoned
> (a determination which was not shared by all, btw) our plans for the
> next version of the web site included things like apt-get for plug-in
> installation and a registry that could manage interaction like this.
>
> since this situation with the dual versions of raphael has been
> running things, we instead have a registry that thinks that it contains
> "extensions", among other misnomers and this is one example which is
> perhaps the least of the problems.
>
> how to handle the "core stuff" is an interesting question because the
> web site is being used only to about 15% of its capacity (that it instantly
> rebuilds upon a commit) so, at the least, out of respect for previous
> versions of the site, if you could restrain yourself from suggesting that
> knowlege of the how the "core stuff" works can be gained from anyone
> operating (however innocently) in the post-raphael duality problem world
> that exists today.
>
> carol
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:04:48 -0500
> From: Daniela S. A. Hern?ndez <magia154@gmai...>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] Gimp-web Digest, Vol 71, Issue 1
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> Hello :)
>
> I'm Daniela i live in Mexico City and i'm graphic designer. I've been
> working with gimp since 2009 and i love it! Well... i know there so many
> things to improve but i like to use gimp whenever possible.
>
> Can i help? Here some ideas to redesign the site:
> http://www.elultimopiso.net/?p=288
>
> Have a nice week
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> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:42:19 -0700
> From: Carol Spears <carol@gimp...>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] new website
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> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 06:52:40PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> >
> > However it still means we need somebody else to do the work, as both
> > Jimmac and Andy Fitzsimon have no time to lead the project, but are
> > ready to help with core stuff.
> >
> one more thing.  to the best of my knowlege, Andy Fitzsimon had very little
> to do with running the web site and the person who really really really
> needs to answer questions about what has been going on with the site since
> ~2005 is Michael Schumacher.  i have some very good questions about some of
> the content changes that have occured since then.
>
> carol
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 06:52:29 +0200
> From: Martin Nordholts <enselic@gmai...>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] new website
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> On 04/18/2011 04:52 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > So I spoke to Jimmac, and he told me he has no time to do the new
> > gimp.org. He also said *everything* has to be done. That's IMO a bit
> > of exxageration given some work already done in static-html5 branch.
> > However it still means we need somebody else to do the work, as both
> > Jimmac and Andy Fitzsimon have no time to lead the project, but are
> > ready to help with core stuff.
> >
> > Earlier we agreed that we want the new site to be static + JS for
> > updating content. However I don't remember a discussion on exact
> > content, or maybe I just missed it, because I wasn't around all the
> > time at the meeting last LGM.
> >
> > Hence three questions:
> >
> > 1. Do we want to stick to everything we have right now (with
> > subsequent cleanup of FAQ and tutorials) or do we want to let go of
> > something and/or do something new (videos?)
> >
> > 2. Do we already have specs for the new site? I.e. pyramidal approach
> > to layout and suchlike?
> >
> > 3. Which way of finding new webdesigner and webdev should we go?
> > Announce a contest like the one Inkscape did on DeviantArt? Just write
> > news on gimp.org and sort through everyone who sends anything?
> >
> > The whole thing is likely to take months, so we need to start *now* if
> > we intend to have a visual refresh for 2.8.
>
> I'd rather plan for a visual refresh for GIMP 3.0, that gives us more
> time and aligns with a new era of GIMP
>
> BR,
> Martin
>
>
> --
>
> My GIMP Blog:
> http://www.chromecode.com/
> "GIMP 2.8 schedule on tasktaste.com"
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 00:25:34 -0500
> From: Jason Simanek <jsimanek@gmai...>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] new website
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> Carol, Alexandre and anybody who's listening,
>
> I'm not sure about the history of the site, but it looks like the
> content of the primary gimp.org site is pretty straight-forward. It
> sounds like the general thought about the site is to avoid a CMS like
> WordPress. I'm not sure why, WordPress can be made to work very well,
> especially with a good caching plugin. WordPress would also make
> updating the site more accessible to other members of the Gimp
> developer community.
>
> However, if a static, PHP-driven site is preferable I can do that too.
> But as important as how the site is built is, the design is equally
> important. And . . . looks like Martin Nordholts just put in his two
> cents about that detail . . .
>
> > I'd rather plan for a visual refresh for GIMP 3.0, that gives us more
> > time and aligns with a new era of GIMP
> >
> > BR,
> > Martin
>
> Redesigning the site could be a great way to prepare people for the
> upcoming Gimp 3. Hell, I just started using the 2.7 version and can't
> wait for 2.8!
>
> In the last year I built a new site for the Gramps project (genealogy
> software):
>
> <http://gramps-project.org/>
>
> Course, the design for the Gimp site would be more appropriate for
> Gimp, but that site is a good one, I think (though we haven't yet
> implemented a caching plugin). The support for internationalization is
> great, if you have people to write translations. The blog section
> where various contributors and developers can write posts is great.
>
> Regardless, I am interested in helping out with the site. I'm always
> relatively busy, but I like and use Gimp and Inkscape for all of my
> freelance design work. I would love to have an opportunity to give
> back.
>
> -Jason Simanek
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:48:22 +0200
> From: Martin Nordholts <enselic@gmai...>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] new website
> To: Jason Simanek <jsimanek@gmai...>
> Cc: gimp-web@list...
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> 2011/4/19 Jason Simanek <jsimanek@gmai...>:
> > I'm not sure about the history of the site, but it looks like the
> > content of the primary gimp.org site is pretty straight-forward. It
> > sounds like the general thought about the site is to avoid a CMS like
> > WordPress. I'm not sure why, WordPress can be made to work very well,
> > especially with a good caching plugin. WordPress would also make
> > updating the site more accessible to other members of the Gimp
> > developer community.
>
> I think the main issue is security concerns, but if we host the site
> on a separate machine and take regular back ups, that shouldn't be an
> issue. Making the site trivial to update is paramount. Maybe you could
> setup something quick in wordpress that people could try?
>
> Best regards,
> Martin
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:18:41 +0300
> From: Alexia Death <alexiadeath@gmai...>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] new website
> To: gimp-web@list...
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> On Tuesday, April 19, 2011 08:48:22 Martin Nordholts wrote:
> > I think the main issue is security concerns, but if we host the site
> > on a separate machine and take regular back ups, that shouldn't be an
> > issue. Making the site trivial to update is paramount. Maybe you could
> > setup something quick in wordpress that people could try?
> I run deveral wordpress sites for my family ;) It's so simple that both my
> sociology master sister and artstudent sister manage to use theirs without
> my
> help. However, there is one con that you dont see in a test installation.
> It's
> comment section is a popular target for spammers(I dont know if the whole
> facility can be turned off) and due to widespreaded use, if there is a
> vulnerability it gets exploited very very fast. These are the two things
> you
> need to be prepared for with wordpress, spam and constant updates to avoid
> getting defaced. If updates can be automated somehow that would just leave
> spam.
>
> Another downside is separate usermanagement
>
> Benefits are great however. You get a truly dynamic site that is easy to
> update
> :)
>
> Best,
> Alexia
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:33:37 +0200
> From: Martin Nordholts <enselic@gmai...>
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] new website
> To: alexiadeath@gmai...
> Cc: gimp-web@list...
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> 2011/4/19 Alexia Death <alexiadeath@gmai...>:
> > On Tuesday, April 19, 2011 08:48:22 Martin Nordholts wrote:
> >> I think the main issue is security concerns, but if we host the site
> >> on a separate machine and take regular back ups, that shouldn't be an
> >> issue. Making the site trivial to update is paramount. Maybe you could
> >> setup something quick in wordpress that people could try?
> > I run deveral wordpress sites for my family ;) It's so simple that both
> my
> > sociology master sister and artstudent sister manage to use theirs
> without my
> > help. However, there is one con that you dont see in a test installation.
> It's
> > comment section is a popular target for spammers(I dont know if the whole
> > facility can be turned off) and due to widespreaded use, if there is a
> > vulnerability it gets exploited very very fast. These are the two things
> you
> > need to be prepared for with wordpress, spam and constant updates to
> avoid
> > getting defaced. If updates can be automated somehow that would just
> leave
> > spam.
>
> Doesn't even requiring a login or captchas prevent this spam? If not
> and spam become a big problem, maybe we have to disable comments
> altogether. At least we'll have a website that is easy to update.
>
>  / Martin
>
> --
>
> My GIMP Blog:
> http://www.chromecode.com/
> "GIMP 2.8 schedule on tasktaste.com"
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