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     1. 08:49 AM - L-29 GLUT  (steve roberts)
     2. 08:58 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (RAMPEYBOY@aol....)
     3. 09:02 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (SD737@aol....)
     4. 09:08 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (Ernest Martinez)
     5. 09:58 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (fish@avia...)
     6. 10:11 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (RAMPEYBOY@aol....)
     7. 10:22 AM - Re:L-29 Glut   (steve roberts)
     8. 10:27 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (Ernest Martinez)
     9. 10:28 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (Ernest Martinez)
    10. 11:13 AM - new topic  (RAMPEYBOY@aol....)
    11. 11:15 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (Colyergreg@aol....)
    12. 11:32 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
    13. 11:35 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
    14. 11:37 AM -   (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
    15. 11:47 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (Ernest Martinez)
    16. 11:51 AM - Re: new topic  (Ernest Martinez)
    17. 11:58 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
    18. 12:10 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (Ernest Martinez)
    19. 12:30 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
    20. 01:42 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (AI Nut)
    21. 01:48 PM - Re: new topic  (AI Nut)
    22. 01:50 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (Ernest Martinez)
    23. 01:50 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (AI Nut)
    24. 01:54 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
    25. 01:55 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (Ernest Martinez)
    26. 01:56 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
    27. 01:58 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (Gary Cole)
    28. 02:06 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
    29. 03:27 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (Jorgen Nielsen)
    30. 03:33 PM - Help - airspeed sensor  (Jorgen Nielsen)
    31. 03:44 PM - Re:   (colyergreg@aol....)
    32. 05:33 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (SD737@aol....)
    33. 05:40 PM - Re: new topic  (SD737@aol....)
    34. 05:53 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (SD737@aol....)
    35. 06:09 PM - Re: new topic  (RAMPEYBOY@aol....)
    36. 07:55 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT  (colyergreg@aol....)
    37. 07:59 PM - Re: new topic  (colyergreg@aol....)
    38. 08:38 PM - Re: new topic  (AI Nut)
    39. 09:23 PM - Re: new topic  (Brian Colombo)



________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________


Time: 08:49:00 AM PST US
From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...>
Subject: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...>

Anyone notice the L-29 market is very weak and going LOWER with the high
price of fuel and more cheap imports coming into the country. There are
flying/certified L-29's with good paint and radios  in the US and they are
on the market and NOT selling at these prices which tells you that the price
is still too high!  Read it and weep......  Two of them on Trade-a-plane
ASKING $44,900 and not selling.  Imagine how many L-29 owners want to sell,
but have not listed their planes.....?
I can see the market easily going down to $30K for a nice L-29 with good
paint, radios, ground equipment, certified/flying in the US.   These planes
are underpowered pigs and have poor range and basically have no practical
use.   Fuel burn at 160 gallons/hour at an average of $3.50 for jet A equals
fuel cost of approx $560 an hour just for fuel....  Not too many folks can
afford to throw away that type of money just to go jerk around for an hour.
Good luck selling these pigs!



Not sure what this guy is thinking.... $60K for a basic stock airplane....  
In his dreams....
Guess he has no clue as to the market....

1969     L29      Ocala  FL   $60,000
Details
Add to Favorites
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   1969 L-29 $60K. http://www.gscinc.com http://tappix.com/740112
Last Modified: 01/26/2006



1969     L29  3230  347  Chico  CA   $44,900
Add to Favorites
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   1969 L-29, 3230-TT, 347-SMOH, all original books, King radio &
transponder, good exterior paint, military markings. $44,900. CA/(530)
892-8073. (530) 892-8073
Last Modified: 01/23/2006

1971     L29      Grand Junction  CO   $44,900
Add to Favorites
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Contact this seller
   1971 L-29, SELL OR TRADE for x/c SE recip. 3600/ 500/ 250. Will annual














________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________


Time: 08:58:40 AM PST US
From: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....

If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm a  
long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine recip VFR).

Though what I really want is an F-86 ;) The L-29 should be a great entry
level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty of parts.

It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!
Boyce













________________________________  Message 3  _____________________________________


Time: 09:02:32 AM PST US
From: SD737@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol....

Well, Get your pen out and get busy....     1,000 hours  racks up pretty
quick      :-)

I'm a pilot for a major airline (no longer bankrupt) and I fly the 757/767  
and I enjoy my L-29, but the high cost of fuel has made it an issue for  me.













________________________________  Message 4  _____________________________________


Time: 09:08:42 AM PST US
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>

Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously
have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no
dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for L-29''s
then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple
who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on internet
lists trying to get a rise out of people.

Get a life


On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.... <RAMPEYBOY@aol....> wrote:
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
>
> If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm a
> long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine recip
> VFR).
> Though what I really want is an F-86 ;) The L-29 should be a great entry
> level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty of
> parts.
> It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!
> Boyce
>
>













________________________________  Message 5  _____________________________________


Time: 09:58:08 AM PST US
From: fish@avia...
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: fish@avia...

Ernie,

I seem to remember someone once saying something similar to you in the past
when you asked a question about L-29's.

He who lives in a glass house!

Fly Safe
John Fischer


>--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
>
>Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously
>have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no
>dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for L-29''s
>then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple
>who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on internet

>lists trying to get a rise out of people.
>
>Get a life
>
>
>On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.... <RAMPEYBOY@aol....> wrote:
>>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
>>
>> If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm a

>> long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine recip

>> VFR).
>> Though what I really want is an F-86 ;) The L-29 should be a great entry

>> level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty of

>> parts.
>> It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!
>> Boyce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>













________________________________  Message 6  _____________________________________


Time: 10:11:58 AM PST US
From: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....

Ernie;
    Not sure if that was directed at me or not. Sorry  don't mean to offend
saying it was the Cessna of warbirds. What I meant by that,  is it doesn't TO
and land at 150 knots, nor require a pilot to be in the top 5%  of pilots to
fly. As compared to the Iskra, I have been told it's a little  easier to fly.
That's all. I'd buy one in a skinny minute, IF I had the rating.
Boyce













________________________________  Message 7  _____________________________________


Time: 10:22:37 AM PST US
From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...>
Subject: L29-List: Re:L-29 Glut

--> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotm...>


Well,
Looks like I got a rise out of you!
Comparing email addresses it's obvious you're the guy who has his L-29
priced for sale almost twice what it's worth!

Very predictable response!

As far as ranting, it's obvious that is where your expertise presents
itself, and not the current market value for L-29's.  $60K  LOL....   In
your "L-29 Dreams"!  How many offers have you received?   ZERO!

Also, in your"rant", check the spelling on: "aout" and "dicernable" or at
least run spell check before you retort with such an embarrassing
response.....

By the way....  it's spelled "discernible" in case you are not able to
"discern" the correct spelling....

Best of luck to you on selling your plane because at that ridiculous price
you will need plenty of luck and then some, OR just some total fool to come
along and pay that price....
The market is obviously very soft and planes are not selling even in the
$40's.

Hope you get some blinds for that glass house, because from what I see
looking in appears pretty ugly, contentious and arrogant!














________________________________  Message 8  _____________________________________


Time: 10:27:44 AM PST US
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>

No it was directed at the Moron who thinks he knows anything about these
airplanes. Best policy is to just ignore trolls. They thrive on pissing
people off.




On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.... <RAMPEYBOY@aol....> wrote:
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
>
> Ernie;
>    Not sure if that was directed at me or not. Sorry  don't mean to offend
> saying it was the Cessna of warbirds. What I meant by that,  is it doesn't
> TO
> and land at 150 knots, nor require a pilot to be in the top 5%  of pilots
> to
> fly. As compared to the Iskra, I have been told it's a little  easier to
> fly.
> That's all. I'd buy one in a skinny minute, IF I had the rating.
> Boyce
>
>













________________________________  Message 9  _____________________________________


Time: 10:28:44 AM PST US
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>

I dont quite get your point.



On 2/7/06, fish@avia... <fish@avia...> wrote:
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: fish@avia...
>
> Ernie,
>
> I seem to remember someone once saying something similar to you in the
> past
> when you asked a question about L-29's.
>
> He who lives in a glass house!
>
> Fly Safe
> John Fischer
>
>
> >--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
> >
> >Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously
> >have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no
> >dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for L-29''s
> >then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple
> >who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on
> internet
>
> >lists trying to get a rise out of people.
> >
> >Get a life
> >
> >
> >On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.... <RAMPEYBOY@aol....> wrote:
> >>
> >> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
> >>
> >> If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm
> a
>
> >> long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine
> recip
>
> >> VFR).
> >> Though what I really want is an F-86 ;) The L-29 should be a great
> entry
>
> >> level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty
> of
>
> >> parts.
> >> It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!
> >> Boyce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>













________________________________  Message 10  ____________________________________


Time: 11:13:52 AM PST US
From: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
Subject: L29-List: new topic

--> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....

OK, so the other guy got some blood boiling. I am  just a reader on this
list. As I said earlier I'm a long way from being able to  get the type rating.
I
do enjoy reading about the experiences you guys have with  the -29.
    Does anyone want to share with a "new" private  pilot what it's like to
fly the -29? What's your typical mission? What altitude  do you mostly fly?
Someone told me the ceiling of the -29 was somewhere near  25,000. Is this
accurate?
Boyce













________________________________  Message 11  ____________________________________


Time: 11:15:56 AM PST US
From: Colyergreg@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol....

There are some L-29's on the market, I have seen them from 40K up to 100K
(the later being on drugs or something)  Yes the market is soft right now but
where else can you fly a warbird for 50K. It's a bargin especially at that price,

and you are flying a Jet!  I know someone who just bought a JT12 powered L-29
for 70 Grand. If I would have known about it I would have bought it.  That
thing hauls ass!!! But I am happy tooling around 2 hours a month in my L-29.  It

satisfies the bug quite well.....













________________________________  Message 12  ____________________________________


Time: 11:32:41 AM PST US
From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>

In response to Steve Roberts post:

I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel that
a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.

When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for a
certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically affected
by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there was
and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the wonderful
quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated with
more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
$100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of the
L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying $175,000
and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2
aircrafts is very similar.

Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and
operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and
parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The
L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird community.
Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine that
requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love it!)
Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years latter.
So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.
With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every
operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own your
own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
aircraft.

Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the
coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all over
the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for $100,000
and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different and
the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It takes  a
nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to
get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together. Happy
Delfin Flying

The Delfin Driver
2819













________________________________  Message 13  ____________________________________


Time: 11:35:58 AM PST US
From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>

In response to Steve Roberts post:

I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel that
a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.

When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for a
certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically affected
by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there was
and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the wonderful
quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated with
more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
$100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of the
L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying $175,000
and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2
aircrafts is very similar.

Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and
operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and
parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The
L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird community.
Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine that
requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love it!)
Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years latter.
So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.
With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every
operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own your
own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
aircraft.

Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the
coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all over
the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for $100,000
and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different and
the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It takes  a
nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to
get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together. Happy
Delfin Flying

The Delfin Driver--2819













________________________________  Message 14  ____________________________________


Time: 11:37:32 AM PST US
From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>
Subject: L29-List:

--> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>

TEST












________________________________  Message 15  ____________________________________


Time: 11:47:43 AM PST US
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>

Hey Bob,

1 quart an hour aye??? Better get it checked. I'm using about 1 quart every
3 or 4.

Ernie


On 2/7/06, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worl...> wrote:
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <
> schwartzcompany@worl...>
>
> In response to Steve Roberts post:
>
> I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel
> that
> a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.
>
> When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for a
> certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically
> affected
> by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there was
> and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the
> wonderful
> quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated
> with
> more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
> $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of
> the
> L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
> marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying
> $175,000
> and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2
> aircrafts is very similar.
>
> Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and
> operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and
> parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The
> L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird
> community.
> Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine
> that
> requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love
> it!)
> Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years
> latter.
> So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
> affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.
> With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every
> operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own your
> own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
> reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
> aircraft.
>
> Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
> becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the
> coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all over
> the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for
> $100,000
> and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different and
> the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It
> takes  a
> nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to
> get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
> recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together.
> Happy
> Delfin Flying
>
> The Delfin Driver--2819
>
>













________________________________  Message 16  ____________________________________


Time: 11:51:19 AM PST US
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: new topic

--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>

Ceiling is 39k but you dont have enough gas to get there. Real easy to fly,
underpowered on takeoff but level off and pickup speed and then you can
climb like a bat out of hell. Rolls are easy, loops are real big, never
worry about Vne, just point her down and go like all get out.

I typically go up to around 6000 ft and just tool around, typical flight is
about 45 minutes.

Ernie


On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.... <RAMPEYBOY@aol....> wrote:
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
>
> OK, so the other guy got some blood boiling. I am  just a reader on this
> list. As I said earlier I'm a long way from being able to  get the type
> rating. I
> do enjoy reading about the experiences you guys have with  the -29.
>    Does anyone want to share with a "new" private  pilot what it's like to
> fly the -29? What's your typical mission? What altitude  do you mostly
> fly?
> Someone told me the ceiling of the -29 was somewhere near  25,000. Is this
> accurate?
> Boyce
>
>













________________________________  Message 17  ____________________________________


Time: 11:58:15 AM PST US
From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>

just kidding. actually with aerobatics it might be a quart every 2 hours.
But its  great airplane.
this guy got me going about the L29



Robert E. Schwartz
President
THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST
Commercial Real Estate Services
2406 East Pleasant Street
Davenport, Iowa USA 52803
Tel: (563) 322-2228  Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600
Email: schwartzcompany@worl...

This information is intended for the use of individual named above.  If you
are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure,
copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the
content of this information is strictly prohibited.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmai...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT


> --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
>
> Hey Bob,
>
> 1 quart an hour aye??? Better get it checked. I'm using about 1 quart
> every
> 3 or 4.
>
> Ernie
>
>
> On 2/7/06, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worl...> wrote:
>>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <
>> schwartzcompany@worl...>
>>
>> In response to Steve Roberts post:
>>
>> I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel
>> that
>> a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.
>>
>> When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for
>> a
>> certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically
>> affected
>> by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there
>> was
>> and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the
>> wonderful
>> quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated
>> with
>> more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
>> $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of
>> the
>> L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
>> marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying
>> $175,000
>> and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2
>> aircrafts is very similar.
>>
>> Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and
>> operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and
>> parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The
>> L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird
>> community.
>> Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine
>> that
>> requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love
>> it!)
>> Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years
>> latter.
>> So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
>> affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.
>> With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every
>> operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own
>> your
>> own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
>> reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
>> aircraft.
>>
>> Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
>> becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the
>> coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all
>> over
>> the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for
>> $100,000
>> and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different and
>> the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It
>> takes  a
>> nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to
>> get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
>> recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together.
>> Happy
>> Delfin Flying
>>
>> The Delfin Driver--2819
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>













________________________________  Message 18  ____________________________________


Time: 12:10:33 PM PST US
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>

Are you going to the CJAA convention? I heard that Doug Gillis isnt going,
and Zach wont be there. I spoke with Gary Cole and he was asking if I was
going. I said no. Looks like it'll be a 39 owners convention.

Ernie


On 2/7/06, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worl...> wrote:
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <
> schwartzcompany@worl...>
>
> just kidding. actually with aerobatics it might be a quart every 2 hours.
> But its  great airplane.
> this guy got me going about the L29
>
>
> Robert E. Schwartz
> President
> THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST
> Commercial Real Estate Services
> 2406 East Pleasant Street
> Davenport, Iowa USA 52803
> Tel: (563) 322-2228  Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600
> Email: schwartzcompany@worl...
>
> This information is intended for the use of individual named above.  If
> you
> are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> disclosure,
> copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the
> content of this information is strictly prohibited.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmai...>
> To: <l29-list@matr...>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT
>
>
> > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
> >
> > Hey Bob,
> >
> > 1 quart an hour aye??? Better get it checked. I'm using about 1 quart
> > every
> > 3 or 4.
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> >
> > On 2/7/06, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worl...> wrote:
> >>
> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <
> >> schwartzcompany@worl...>
> >>
> >> In response to Steve Roberts post:
> >>
> >> I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel
> >> that
> >> a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.
> >>
> >> When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000
> for
> >> a
> >> certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically
> >> affected
> >> by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there
> >> was
> >> and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the
> >> wonderful
> >> quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated
> >> with
> >> more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
> >> $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of
> >> the
> >> L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
> >> marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying
> >> $175,000
> >> and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2
> >> aircrafts is very similar.
> >>
> >> Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and
> >> operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance
> and
> >> parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE.
> The
> >> L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird
> >> community.
> >> Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine
> >> that
> >> requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love
> >> it!)
> >> Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years
> >> latter.
> >> So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
> >> affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer
> budget.
> >> With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that
> every
> >> operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own
> >> your
> >> own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
> >> reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
> >> aircraft.
> >>
> >> Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
> >> becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the
> >> coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all
> >> over
> >> the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for
> >> $100,000
> >> and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different
> and
> >> the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It
> >> takes  a
> >> nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship
> to
> >> get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
> >> recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together.
> >> Happy
> >> Delfin Flying
> >>
> >> The Delfin Driver--2819
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>













________________________________  Message 19  ____________________________________


Time: 12:30:03 PM PST US
From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>

not going either

will be in europe on business












________________________________  Message 20  ____________________________________


Time: 01:42:48 PM PST US
From: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>

I thought the L-29's burn was about 103 gallons per hour.  Is this
incorrect?

Thanks,
David M.


Ernest Martinez wrote:

> --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
>
> Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously
> have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no
> dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for L-29''s
> then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple
> who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on internet
> lists trying to get a rise out of people.
>
> Get a life
>
>
> On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.... <RAMPEYBOY@aol....> wrote:
>
>>--> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
>>
>>If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm a
>>long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine recip
>>VFR).
>>Though what I really want is an F-86 ;) The L-29 should be a great entry
>>level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty of
>>parts.
>>It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!
>>Boyce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>












________________________________  Message 21  ____________________________________


Time: 01:48:26 PM PST US
From: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: new topic

--> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>

And I'll add that I'll chip in on the fuel (50%) if you'll let me come
along and play, too!

David M.



RAMPEYBOY@aol.... wrote:

> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
>
> OK, so the other guy got some blood boiling. I am  just a reader on this
> list. As I said earlier I'm a long way from being able to  get the type rating.
I
> do enjoy reading about the experiences you guys have with  the -29.
>     Does anyone want to share with a "new" private  pilot what it's like to
> fly the -29? What's your typical mission? What altitude  do you mostly fly?
> Someone told me the ceiling of the -29 was somewhere near  25,000. Is this
> accurate?
> Boyce
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>












________________________________  Message 22  ____________________________________


Time: 01:50:33 PM PST US
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>

About 150 gph in cruise.

On 2/7/06, AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...> wrote:
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>
>
> I thought the L-29's burn was about 103 gallons per hour.  Is this
> incorrect?
>
> Thanks,
> David M.
>
>
> Ernest Martinez wrote:
>
> > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
> >
> > Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously
> > have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no
> > dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for
> L-29''s
> > then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple
> > who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on
> internet
> > lists trying to get a rise out of people.
> >
> > Get a life
> >
> >
> > On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.... <RAMPEYBOY@aol....> wrote:
> >
> >>--> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
> >>
> >>If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm
> a
> >>long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine
> recip
> >>VFR).
> >>Though what I really want is an F-86 ;) The L-29 should be a great entry
> >>level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty
> of
> >>parts.
> >>It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!
> >>Boyce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>













________________________________  Message 23  ____________________________________


Time: 01:50:46 PM PST US
From: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>

What is the recommend runway length to operate these birds?  Can one get
away with a 3300 foot paved, that is 40 feet wide?

Thanks,
David M.


ROBERT SCHWARTZ wrote:

> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>
>
> In response to Steve Roberts post:
>
> I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel that
> a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.
>
> When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for a
> certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically affected
> by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there was
> and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the wonderful
> quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated with
> more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
> $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of the
> L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
> marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying $175,000
> and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2
> aircrafts is very similar.
>
> Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and
> operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and
> parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The
> L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird community.
> Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine that
> requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love it!)
> Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years latter.
> So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
> affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.
> With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every
> operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own your
> own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
> reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
> aircraft.
>
> Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
> becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the
> coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all over
> the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for $100,000
> and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different and
> the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It takes  a
> nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to
> get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
> recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together. Happy
> Delfin Flying
>
> The Delfin Driver
> 2819
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>












________________________________  Message 24  ____________________________________


Time: 01:54:15 PM PST US
From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>

There really are not any military Jets that will burn 100 gal per hour. At
least not the older ones.    I safe average number would be 150 per hour.
with most of the time being in cruise. Fuel economy is not the strong point
of military Jets.





From: "AI Nut" <ainut@hiwa...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT


> --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>
>
> I thought the L-29's burn was about 103 gallons per hour.  Is this
> incorrect?
>
> Thanks,
> David M.
>
>
> Ernest Martinez wrote:
>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
>>
>> Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously
>> have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no
>> dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for L-29''s
>> then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple
>> who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on
>> internet
>> lists trying to get a rise out of people.
>>
>> Get a life
>>
>>
>> On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.... <RAMPEYBOY@aol....> wrote:
>>
>>>--> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
>>>
>>>If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm a
>>>long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine recip
>>>VFR).
>>>Though what I really want is an F-86 ;) The L-29 should be a great entry
>>>level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty
>>>of
>>>parts.
>>>It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!
>>>Boyce
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>













________________________________  Message 25  ____________________________________


Time: 01:55:53 PM PST US
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>

It can be done, but you better have the numbers right on. You didnt mention
obstacles. 3300 ft leaves no options for an abort, also high density
altitudes with full tanks would be marginal at best. My personal minimums
are 4500 ft

On 2/7/06, AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...> wrote:
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>
>
> What is the recommend runway length to operate these birds?  Can one get
> away with a 3300 foot paved, that is 40 feet wide?
>
> Thanks,
> David M.
>
>
> ROBERT SCHWARTZ wrote:
>
> > --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <
> schwartzcompany@worl...>
> >
> > In response to Steve Roberts post:
> >
> > I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel
> that
> > a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.
> >
> > When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for
> a
> > certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically
> affected
> > by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there
> was
> > and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the
> wonderful
> > quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated
> with
> > more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
> > $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of
> the
> > L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
> > marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying
> $175,000
> > and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2
> > aircrafts is very similar.
> >
> > Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and
> > operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and
> > parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The
> > L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird
> community.
> > Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine
> that
> > requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love
> it!)
> > Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years
> latter.
> > So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
> > affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer
> budget.
> > With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every
> > operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own
> your
> > own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
> > reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
> > aircraft.
> >
> > Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
> > becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the
> > coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all
> over
> > the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for
> $100,000
> > and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different
> and
> > the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It
> takes  a
> > nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship
> to
> > get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
> > recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together.
> Happy
> > Delfin Flying
> >
> > The Delfin Driver
> > 2819
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>













________________________________  Message 26  ____________________________________


Time: 01:56:19 PM PST US
From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>

3300 ft is a little tight for the L-29 .as it leaves no safety zone.  4,000
ft will work.    4500 and up is better.  Depends on elevation, weight and
expereince.
Delfin Driver 2819




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are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "AI Nut" <ainut@hiwa...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT


> --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>
>
> What is the recommend runway length to operate these birds?  Can one get
> away with a 3300 foot paved, that is 40 feet wide?
>
> Thanks,
> David M.
>
>
> ROBERT SCHWARTZ wrote:
>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ"
>> <schwartzcompany@worl...>
>>
>> In response to Steve Roberts post:
>>
>> I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel
>> that
>> a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.
>>
>> When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for
>> a
>> certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically
>> affected
>> by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there
>> was
>> and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the
>> wonderful
>> quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated
>> with
>> more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
>> $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of
>> the
>> L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
>> marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying
>> $175,000
>> and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2
>> aircrafts is very similar.
>>
>> Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and
>> operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and
>> parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The
>> L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird
>> community.
>> Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine
>> that
>> requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love
>> it!)
>> Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years
>> latter.
>> So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
>> affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.
>> With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every
>> operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own
>> your
>> own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
>> reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
>> aircraft.
>>
>> Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
>> becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the
>> coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all
>> over
>> the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for
>> $100,000
>> and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different and
>> the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It takes
>> a
>> nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to
>> get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
>> recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together.
>> Happy
>> Delfin Flying
>>
>> The Delfin Driver
>> 2819
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>













________________________________  Message 27  ____________________________________


Time: 01:58:07 PM PST US
From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...>
Subject: RE: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...>

Your comments are on the mark and the worm doesn't have a clue about jets.
As I fly off a 3300' grass runway in my 29 it leaves behind a spitfire and
departs 700 feet later the the spit.
Not too good a look on a 2 ship departure.
Gary C.
Lets get a 29 fly-in in the works.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matr...
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>

Are you going to the CJAA convention? I heard that Doug Gillis isnt going,
and Zach wont be there. I spoke with Gary Cole and he was asking if I was
going. I said no. Looks like it'll be a 39 owners convention.

Ernie


On 2/7/06, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worl...> wrote:
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <
> schwartzcompany@worl...>
>
> just kidding. actually with aerobatics it might be a quart every 2 hours.
> But its  great airplane.
> this guy got me going about the L29
>
>
> Robert E. Schwartz
> President
> THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST
> Commercial Real Estate Services
> 2406 East Pleasant Street
> Davenport, Iowa USA 52803
> Tel: (563) 322-2228  Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600
> Email: schwartzcompany@worl...
>
> This information is intended for the use of individual named above.  If
> you
> are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> disclosure,
> copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the
> content of this information is strictly prohibited.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmai...>
> To: <l29-list@matr...>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT
>
>
> > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
> >
> > Hey Bob,
> >
> > 1 quart an hour aye??? Better get it checked. I'm using about 1 quart
> > every
> > 3 or 4.
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> >
> > On 2/7/06, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worl...> wrote:
> >>
> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <
> >> schwartzcompany@worl...>
> >>
> >> In response to Steve Roberts post:
> >>
> >> I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel
> >> that
> >> a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.
> >>
> >> When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000
> for
> >> a
> >> certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically
> >> affected
> >> by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there
> >> was
> >> and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the
> >> wonderful
> >> quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated
> >> with
> >> more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
> >> $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of
> >> the
> >> L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
> >> marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying
> >> $175,000
> >> and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2
> >> aircrafts is very similar.
> >>
> >> Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and
> >> operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance
> and
> >> parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE.
> The
> >> L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird
> >> community.
> >> Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine
> >> that
> >> requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love
> >> it!)
> >> Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years
> >> latter.
> >> So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
> >> affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer
> budget.
> >> With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that
> every
> >> operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own
> >> your
> >> own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
> >> reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
> >> aircraft.
> >>
> >> Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
> >> becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the
> >> coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all
> >> over
> >> the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for
> >> $100,000
> >> and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different
> and
> >> the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It
> >> takes  a
> >> nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship
> to
> >> get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
> >> recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together.
> >> Happy
> >> Delfin Flying
> >>
> >> The Delfin Driver--2819
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

























________________________________  Message 28  ____________________________________


Time: 02:06:54 PM PST US
From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>

Its funny. I did not know what anyone else would be writing. But, looks like
we all about agree.  Bravo

Delfin 2819


From: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: L29-List: L-29 GLUT


> --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flas...>
>
> Your comments are on the mark and the worm doesn't have a clue about jets.
> As I fly off a 3300' grass runway in my 29 it leaves behind a spitfire and
> departs 700 feet later the the spit.
> Not too good a look on a 2 ship departure.
> Gary C.
> Lets get a 29 fly-in in the works.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matr...
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matr...] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:10 PM
> To: l29-list@matr...
> Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
>
> Are you going to the CJAA convention? I heard that Doug Gillis isnt going,
> and Zach wont be there. I spoke with Gary Cole and he was asking if I was
> going. I said no. Looks like it'll be a 39 owners convention.
>
> Ernie
>
>
> On 2/7/06, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worl...> wrote:
>>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <
>> schwartzcompany@worl...>
>>
>> just kidding. actually with aerobatics it might be a quart every 2 hours.
>> But its  great airplane.
>> this guy got me going about the L29
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert E. Schwartz
>> President
>> THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST
>> Commercial Real Estate Services
>> 2406 East Pleasant Street
>> Davenport, Iowa USA 52803
>> Tel: (563) 322-2228  Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600
>> Email: schwartzcompany@worl...
>>
>> This information is intended for the use of individual named above.  If
>> you
>> are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
>> disclosure,
>> copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the
>> content of this information is strictly prohibited.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmai...>
>> To: <l29-list@matr...>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT
>>
>>
>> > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmai...>
>> >
>> > Hey Bob,
>> >
>> > 1 quart an hour aye??? Better get it checked. I'm using about 1 quart
>> > every
>> > 3 or 4.
>> >
>> > Ernie
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2/7/06, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worl...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <
>> >> schwartzcompany@worl...>
>> >>
>> >> In response to Steve Roberts post:
>> >>
>> >> I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I
>> >> feel
>> >> that
>> >> a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.
>> >>
>> >> When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000
>> for
>> >> a
>> >> certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically
>> >> affected
>> >> by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there
>> >> was
>> >> and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the
>> >> wonderful
>> >> quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more
>> >> sophisticated
>> >> with
>> >> more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
>> >> $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that
>> >> of
>> >> the
>> >> L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
>> >> marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying
>> >> $175,000
>> >> and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2
>> >> aircrafts is very similar.
>> >>
>> >> Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy
>> >> and
>> >> operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance
>> and
>> >> parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE.
>> The
>> >> L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird
>> >> community.
>> >> Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine
>> >> that
>> >> requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love
>> >> it!)
>> >> Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years
>> >> latter.
>> >> So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
>> >> affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer
>> budget.
>> >> With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that
>> every
>> >> operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own
>> >> your
>> >> own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
>> >> reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
>> >> aircraft.
>> >>
>> >> Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
>> >> becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in
>> >> the
>> >> coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all
>> >> over
>> >> the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for
>> >> $100,000
>> >> and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different
>> and
>> >> the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It
>> >> takes  a
>> >> nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship
>> to
>> >> get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
>> >> recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together.
>> >> Happy
>> >> Delfin Flying
>> >>
>> >> The Delfin Driver--2819
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >
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>
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________________________________  Message 29  ____________________________________


Time: 03:27:40 PM PST US
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...>
Subject: RE: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...>

I know of several L-29 (outside of US) that sold in the last 12 months that
got their asking price, one for $150,000 and the other for $125,000.  Also
in UK they are priced higher.  Supply and demand I guess.  The flipside is
other L-29 and other warbirds that have not sold - it's a small market.

Bob you sum it up well, re overall ownership issues.  Flying them is great,
anyone who criticises has not flown in one.  Sure t/o requires a suitable
runway and time to cleanup, but thereafter its all fun.  Aeros are great
fun, you can chuck it around and with little worry about flame outs.  Even
the approach can be fun - I have had (aerobatic pilot) pax greying out on
initial.  The g's can wind up and stay there.

Apart from the flying, the L-29 is a great aeroplane - build quality
excellent, reliable, low maintenance, etc.  Just go fly.

My experience with warbirds is that you get a lot of bang for the buck -
these days the contemporary trainer jets such as the L-159 and Hawk go for
between 12 and 20 million USD, the T-50 for 22 million, the M346 for 15
million.  Putting that into perspective today a new C172 costs $200k.  40
years back when the L-29 was introduced as a new design and new aircraft it
would have been similarly very expensive, with private ownership out of the
question.  To be able to buy and fly the L-29 now, even 40 years on is a
dream come true.




> >>
> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <
> >> schwartzcompany@worl...>
> >>
> >> In response to Steve Roberts post:
> >>
> >> I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I
> >> feel that a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.
> >>
> >> When the L-29 first became available the prices were around
> >> $100,000
> for
> >> a
> >> certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically
> >> affected by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market.
> >> However, there was and still is no comparison between the 2
> >> aircraft, except for the wonderful quality of Aero Vodochody
> >> production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated with more advanced
> >> systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over $100,000 to
> >> replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of the
> >> L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in
> >> today's marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be
> >> paying $175,000 and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel
> >> burn between the 2 aircrafts is very similar.
> >>
> >> Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy
> >> and operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of
> >> maintenance
> and
> >> parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE.
> The
> >> L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird
> >> community.
> >> Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston
> >> engine that requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I
> >> own one and love
> >> it!)
> >> Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years
> >> latter.
> >> So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft
> >> and affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a
> >> beer
> budget.
> >> With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that
> every
> >> operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to
> >> own your own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer
> >> etc. After all, reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly
> >> ability to fly this aircraft.
> >>
> >> Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus
> >> engines becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a
> >> revival in the coming months and years.  To address resale value.  
> >> The market is all over the place. I have seen  very nice , well
> >> equipped aircraft sell for $100,000 and I have seen them in the box
> >> for $18,000.  Every case is different
> and
> >> the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It
> >> takes  a nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some
> >> salesmanship
> to
> >> get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
> >> recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together.
> >> Happy
> >> Delfin Flying
> >>
> >> The Delfin Driver--2819













________________________________  Message 30  ____________________________________


Time: 03:33:18 PM PST US
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...>
Subject: L29-List: Help - airspeed sensor

--> L29-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb...>

Has anyone ever had a look at the box that senses airspeed and retracts the
flaps automatically?

I need to know what the electronic connection looks like (type of plug, no.
of pins, etc).

On mine this functionality was moved to a new tyoe of air speed indicator
which is now rather scarce (read unobtainable).

Also, need g-meter, compass and mach meter.  

Jorgen

















________________________________  Message 31  ____________________________________


Time: 03:44:41 PM PST US
From: colyergreg@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List:

--> L29-List message posted by: colyergreg@aol....

What other warbirds can you own for 50K? the list is pretty slim and the bang for
the buck with the L-29 is unbeatable.  And you are flying a JET.  It might
burn a lot of fuel but if you consider everything else it evens out pretty darn
good.  Think a T-6, T-28 are cheap to fly?  Even a T-34 will cost you $200K
for not even a show one.  That 150K sure buys a lot of JetA. Not to mention all
the AD's and such you don't have to deal with.....Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worl...>
Sent: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:37:27 -0600
Subject: L29-List:


--> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worl...>

TEST






















________________________________  Message 32  ____________________________________


Time: 05:33:33 PM PST US
From: SD737@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol....

I wish they only burn 103 gallons an hour.... I plan 160 to 180 an  hour....

And yes, the L-29 market is very, very soft.  I know a guy in  California
that has a beautiful L-29 with a spare overhauled zero time engine  with a great

paint job and good radios and ALL the ground equipment and a set of  tires and

spare parts and he cannot sell it at $50K.  He is a L-39 guy and  wants to
unload his L-29, but the market is so bad he cannot dump it.

I'd be interested in selling mine.  
1968 L-29C
Put together by a factory Czech mechanic with NEW elevator, New aileron,  new
generator, new voltage regulator, new nose gear, new tires, new wheels and  
brake assemblies, perfect canopy glass, King KX155 with localizer and
glideslope  and I can provide a factory zero time engine preserved in the storage

container with original logs.

I'd be happy to get $45K with the spare engine...

IF there's anyone out there in the market give me a call or email me and  
it's yours!
Scott Douglass
775-853-1946
_SD737@AOL.COM_ (mailto:SD737@AOL....)













________________________________  Message 33  ____________________________________


Time: 05:40:37 PM PST US
From: SD737@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List: new topic

--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol....

Come to Reno and I'll put you in the front seat and let you fly mine.

As far as the ceiling goes, it's a BIG struggle to get above FL180 (18,000  
feet) and with the new RVSM requirements (reduced vertical separation margin)

you cannot go above FL280 twenty eight thousand, but you're never going to get

a  L-29 that high.
Plan on 10,000 feet to 17,500 feet typically.















________________________________  Message 34  ____________________________________


Time: 05:53:19 PM PST US
From: SD737@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol....

It looks like the guy that wrote about the lousy soft L-29 market  started
some good banter.
Unfortunately he is right on the mark!  The market has dropped about  $20K on
L-29's over the winter.  Example the L-29 that sold for $60K would  be
difficult to sell for $40K in today's market.  Good news however, the  oil future

markets took a beating today saying there is a oil  surplus!   Hopefully that
will work its way down to a kerosene price  drop this summer.

Ya, kerosene used to be .80 a gallon and over the course of a year jumped  to
$2.75 a gallon out here in Reno, Nevada and that keeps me from flying much  
more than once a month.

There are  3 L-29 owners out here on the west coast that got  together a few
weeks ago and flew over the Golden Gate and Alcatraz and the  Marin Headlands
and we had a great time although it ended up being approximately  a$1,500.00
day for me which is a lot of money to blow out the  tail pipe.  I had a back
seater that threw $600.00 at the  cause.
I fly the 757/767 to Hawaii and flying the L-29 still brings a bigger smile  
to my face than landing a 767 Heavy in SFO!













________________________________  Message 35  ____________________________________


Time: 06:09:41 PM PST US
From: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List: new topic

--> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....

The fact that you're not likely to be above 18,000 is one reason I think  the
29 would be ideal for me: First, I want a warbird eventually. Second, it  
will by necessity be an entry level type bird. Third, I'm really not into a lot

of hot dog flying, so it doesn't have to climb at 40,000 ft/min. Lastly, at
the  moment, I'm VFR only. I may never pursue the IFR rating. Above 18,000 and

you  have to file IFR right? So, based on this I think the 29 would be a fun
VFR  warbird to fly to local events, and proficiency Sunday afternoon flights.

I've  gotten as far as I have in life by dreaming...no need to stop now  right?













________________________________  Message 36  ____________________________________


Time: 07:55:55 PM PST US
From: colyergreg@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT

--> L29-List message posted by: colyergreg@aol....

I think it was the guy in the back who brought a smile to your face:) sorry you
left the door open, so to speak....

-----Original Message-----
From: SD737@aol....
Sent: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:53:04 EST
Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT


--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol....

It looks like the guy that wrote about the lousy soft L-29 market  started
some good banter.
Unfortunately he is right on the mark!  The market has dropped about  $20K on
L-29's over the winter.  Example the L-29 that sold for $60K would  be
difficult to sell for $40K in today's market.  Good news however, the  oil
future
markets took a beating today saying there is a oil  surplus!   Hopefully that
will work its way down to a kerosene price  drop this summer.

Ya, kerosene used to be .80 a gallon and over the course of a year jumped  to
$2.75 a gallon out here in Reno, Nevada and that keeps me from flying much  
more than once a month.

There are  3 L-29 owners out here on the west coast that got  together a few
weeks ago and flew over the Golden Gate and Alcatraz and the  Marin Headlands
and we had a great time although it ended up being approximately  a$1,500.00
day for me which is a lot of money to blow out the  tail pipe.  I had a back
seater that threw $600.00 at the  cause.
I fly the 757/767 to Hawaii and flying the L-29 still brings a bigger smile  
to my face than landing a 767 Heavy in SFO!























________________________________  Message 37  ____________________________________


Time: 07:59:07 PM PST US
From: colyergreg@aol....
Subject: Re: L29-List: new topic

--> L29-List message posted by: colyergreg@aol....

all in all the L-29 is a great airplane to fly around.  Stable and easy to fly.
It's a great bargin for a warbird and attention getter when you go out saturday
for your $500 burger or breakfast..Don't stop dreaming and you'll get there.
got to have goals..Buy the L-29 now if you can dig up the cash while they
are cheap!!! it would be good advice.

-----Original Message-----
From: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
Sent: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:08:33 EST
Subject: Re: L29-List: new topic


--> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....

The fact that you're not likely to be above 18,000 is one reason I think  the
29 would be ideal for me: First, I want a warbird eventually. Second, it  
will by necessity be an entry level type bird. Third, I'm really not into a lot


of hot dog flying, so it doesn't have to climb at 40,000 ft/min. Lastly, at
the  moment, I'm VFR only. I may never pursue the IFR rating. Above 18,000 and

you  have to file IFR right? So, based on this I think the 29 would be a fun
VFR  warbird to fly to local events, and proficiency Sunday afternoon flights.

I've  gotten as far as I have in life by dreaming...no need to stop now  right?























________________________________  Message 38  ____________________________________


Time: 08:38:10 PM PST US
From: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: new topic

--> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>

How would you guys compare the L-29 to the Mig 21 (?) that can do Mach
2?  I live about 350 miles from the Gulf of Mexico so maybe could fly
down there at subsonic, get 12 miles offshore then hit it hard and bust
Mach!  I would enjoy that immensely at least once in my lifetime.  They
are even cheaper than L-29's, too, at least as of a couple of years ago,
for the 2 seat trainer.

David M.


RAMPEYBOY@aol.... wrote:

> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
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> The fact that you're not likely to be above 18,000 is one reason I think  the

> 29 would be ideal for me: First, I want a warbird eventually. Second, it  
> will by necessity be an entry level type bird. Third, I'm really not into a lot

> of hot dog flying, so it doesn't have to climb at 40,000 ft/min. Lastly, at
> the  moment, I'm VFR only. I may never pursue the IFR rating. Above 18,000 and

> you  have to file IFR right? So, based on this I think the 29 would be a fun

> VFR  warbird to fly to local events, and proficiency Sunday afternoon flights.

> I've  gotten as far as I have in life by dreaming...no need to stop now  right?
>
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________________________________  Message 39  ____________________________________


Time: 09:23:45 PM PST US
From: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...>
Subject: Re: L29-List: new topic

--> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" <Bcolombo@twcn...>

The 21 is a real fighter, the 29 and 39, iskra, casa, etc. are trainers. Not
even in the same league. I love my 29. forgiving and safe. The 21 is not a
Sunday toy like the trainers. I believe the 2 seat 21 holds less than 30 min
of fuel total. This aircraft will kill you fast if you are not a fighter
pilot.

As for the 29 and there being a soft market, fuel cost is the only thing
driving the prices down, you could not buy a reasonable Cherokee 180 for the
price they are going for right now. You do the math, what would you rather
have. Anyone who questions us on why we would own/fly them has never been in
a jet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "AI Nut" <ainut@hiwa...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: new topic


> --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwa...>
>
> How would you guys compare the L-29 to the Mig 21 (?) that can do Mach
> 2?  I live about 350 miles from the Gulf of Mexico so maybe could fly
> down there at subsonic, get 12 miles offshore then hit it hard and bust
> Mach!  I would enjoy that immensely at least once in my lifetime.  They
> are even cheaper than L-29's, too, at least as of a couple of years ago,
> for the 2 seat trainer.
>
> David M.
>
>
> RAMPEYBOY@aol.... wrote:
>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol....
>>
>> The fact that you're not likely to be above 18,000 is one reason I think
>> the
>> 29 would be ideal for me: First, I want a warbird eventually. Second, it
>> will by necessity be an entry level type bird. Third, I'm really not into
>> a lot
>> of hot dog flying, so it doesn't have to climb at 40,000 ft/min. Lastly,
>> at
>> the  moment, I'm VFR only. I may never pursue the IFR rating. Above
>> 18,000 and
>> you  have to file IFR right? So, based on this I think the 29 would be a
>> fun
>> VFR  warbird to fly to local events, and proficiency Sunday afternoon
>> flights.
>> I've  gotten as far as I have in life by dreaming...no need to stop now
>> right?
>>
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