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* ""Anonymous"" David Daniel Moore of 850 Buffalo Ave, Calumet City, IL - 4
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/ac26d3119b462343?hl=en
* Maine Kinship Care INSTITUTIONAL FIRE SAFETY Mandatory Standard Checklist -
2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/85a7d394803df9d6?hl=en
* Dan (and Kent) thinking of another Garage Burglary - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/bac87c95e8cfb84f?hl=en
* Why I mourn Kent Wills' piss poor reading skills - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/c5b0cfa0cdd1866f?hl=en
* Household clutter standards according to Dan Sullivan - 9 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/3b40e820362156fb?hl=en
* Which Side is Donna Alarie Really On?? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/b8bafd87a0998488?hl=en

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TOPIC: ""Anonymous"" David Daniel Moore of 850 Buffalo Ave, Calumet City, IL
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/ac26d3119b462343?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 15 2009 11:05 pm
From: Greegor  


On Sep 15, 11:28 pm, freedom
DDM > I'm surprised that Greg's owner Ken hasn't
DDM > pointed him to Freecycle.  From what I've
DDM > heard, Ken loves freecycling.  Almost as
DDM > much as he enjoys trolling for sex on craigslist.

[...]

DDM > I'd have to say that if a young child were in the
DDM > same residence with Greg, a pile of clutter
DDM > would be the least of her worries.  Given the
DDM > fact that he did perverse things while he
DDM > watched her take a cold shower.

DDM > And of course, anyone who would say the
DDM > following to their girlfriend must be unstable:
DDM >
DDM > "If you call the police, I'll knock out all of
DDM > your teeth, I'll cripple you. I may go to
DDM > prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be
DDM > able to walk, but you will still be a cripple."

David Daniel Moore posted test from the Pennsylvania
court appeal of Gregory Christian Hanson who
was in prison when last I checked.  He's also
about a DECADE younger than I am.

David knows it isn't me, he has my birth date from
genuine court records.  He is merely trying
to create a smokescreen to cover his other
lies, particularly about his own identity.

For a misfit sociopath with the history with
women that Dave has to try this is funny.

Thrown any more bricks through exes windows, Dave?


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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009, womanGoddess <fvrn...@yaho...> wrote:
>On Sep 13, 8:11=A0pm, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@opto...> wrote:
>> On Feb of 2001, Lisa Watkins' seven year old daughter was removed by
>> the authorities in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. grag hanson said the removal
>> was due to clutter in the little girl single wide trailer home.
>>
>> On May 7, 2001, grag hanson said he took pictures to document the
>> progress he made in reducing the height of the clutter from CPS'
>> description of "to the ceiling" DOWN TO FOUR FEET!
>>
>> grag stopped at four feet because CPS didn't have "standards" to which
>> he could refer to so he would know when the height of the clutter was
>> acceptable.
>>
>> On July 12, 2001, grag repeated that CPS removed Lisa Watkins'
>> daughter because of clutter in a thread he titled "clutter - vague and
>> lack of standards."
>>
>> He said CPS "declared it a SAFETY hazard, that the 7 year old might
>> trip on something and get hurt. There were no exposed "sharp objects"
>> so tripping hazard was all. (In over two years, she never once did.) "
>>
>> And he described the clutter as "Just boxes of household items,
>> electronic parts, tools, raw speakers, nuts, bolts, televisions, wires
>> and cables, spare phones, computer parts, books and magazines, etc.
>> not terribly disorganized, just too much VOLUME of stuff in the single
>> wide mobile home we got out of. Put simply, if we had a GARAGE, most
>> would have been there."
>>
>> I post this info again because a few months ago I was referred to a
>> family who was reported to CPS not for clutter but because of a
>> problem outside the home.
>>
>> The father called me and after a long discussion he asked me to come
>> to his house because he wanted me to discuss the situation with his
>> wife.
>>
>> They lived in a large colonial. I was STUNNED walking thru the front
>> door to see the entire living room filled with boxes to six feet and
>> higher. The father said they had to remove boxes so a path could be
>> made for me to enter the house from the front door. Because of the
>> boxes they hadn't used the front door in over four years.
>>
>> The safety hazard wasn't tripping on items sticking out of the boxes,
>> as grag would have you believe. The hazard was someone tripping and
>> having the boxes fall on them. (See the story of the Collier brothers)
>> It turned out the father and the mother were both hoarders. The mother
>> wanted to save anything her children had ever used. Clothes,
>> strollers, school papers, toys etc, etc... The dining room was also
>> filled and inaccessible. The stairs to the second floor were filled
>> except for a narrow pathway. The upstairs hallway was filled except
>> for a narrow pathway. The bedrooms were also filled except for a
>> pathway to get to the beds. The only room that they occupied for the
>> four years they lived in the house was the kitchen. The father had a
>> stool that he sat on when he came home from work. The children sat on
>> the kitchen floor. And the mother sat on the stool while the father
>> was at work. The TV was on a kitchen counter.
>>
>> It was only after seeing a house like this did I really understand how
>> dangerous it was for Lisa Watkins' seven year old daughter to live
>> with grag's excess crap in her home.
>>
>> grag claims there were no injuries to Lisa Watkins' daughter in the
>> two years she was forced to live with boxes of tools and TV's over her
>> head... no thanks to HIM!
>
> Some people have  a mental disorder where they can't stand to part
>with anything and to them it is emotionally painful to throw anything
>out, even though they never used the items and probably never will.
>Its a hoarding disorder.
>
> What's worse is that there are people who are animal hoarders. They
>love their pets but they don't seem to comprehend that a dog or cat to
>be healthy needs room away from other dogs or cats. When a small home
>has inside 15 dogs or more, that is a serious and obvious problem.
>
> As greg knows, computer parts become obsolete within a few years. He
>would have been better off holding a number of garage sales or even
>freecycling some of the items that can be used by others.

I'm surprised that Greg's owner Ken hasn't pointed him to Freecycle.
From
what I've heard, Ken loves freecycling.  Almost as much as he enjoys
trolling for sex on craigslist.


>
> However I do agree that a "to the ceiling" clutter when a child is in
>the residence is a serious issue. He could have rented out a storage
>building space and transferred his junk there until he had time to
>sort out his garbage. Judging by the description of what supposedly
>was in the boxes of clutter, unless he was in a business where these
>items are used, it looks a lot like he was simply hoarding.

I'd have to say that if a young child were in the same residence with
Greg,=

a pile of clutter would be the least of her worries.  Given the fact
that
he did perverse things while he watched her take a cold shower. =20

And of course, anyone who would say the following to their girlfriend
must
be unstable:

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll
cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to
walk,
but you will still be a cripple."

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

"[I have] [n]ever had [any] standing in the Texas Criminal Defense
Lawyer's=

Association or AN Y connection to them."
--Ken Pangborn in a usenet post on January 1, 2009, denying
affiliation
with the TCDLA, to whom he provided bogus educational credentials.
His lie=

is disproved here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060822021821/www.tcdla.com/secure/experts/inde=

x.shtml

"Some photo of some girl without even any documentation on THAT only
proves=

that YOU are a PSYCHO! A really STUPID one at that!"
--Ken Pangborn, admitting to being a "stupid" "psycho" in message-ID
<jOp3l.292$Es4....@nwrd...>

"The FACT is that [my mail-order wife Barbara Sanciprian] and I were
introduced in the FORMAL Spanish tradition by mutual friends, and were
married first in Cuba after 2 year courtship."
--Ken Pangborn, admitting that he began cheating on his wife Peggy on
September 28, 2001, nearly two years before she separated from him

"I'm David Moore and I am insane!"
--Ken Pangborn posting to alt.dads-rights.unmoderated, attempting to
claim
that his name is David Moore

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll
cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to
walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
--Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services
**,
in a verbal threat to his girlfriend


** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:31 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:05:21 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmai...> wrote:

>On Sep 15, 11:28 pm, freedom
>DDM > I'm surprised that Greg's owner Ken hasn't
>DDM > pointed him to Freecycle.  From what I've
>DDM > heard, Ken loves freecycling.  Almost as
>DDM > much as he enjoys trolling for sex on craigslist.
>

     How quickly everyone forgets I was able to PROVE Pangborn had
lied about Freecycle.  His address, old and new, has NEVER appeared on
any Freecycle add.
     Pangborn has ceased making the claim, since he is aware how easy
it is to prove the lie.

>[...]
>
>DDM > I'd have to say that if a young child were in the
>DDM > same residence with Greg, a pile of clutter
>DDM > would be the least of her worries.  Given the
>DDM > fact that he did perverse things while he
>DDM > watched her take a cold shower.

     By your own standards, Greg, it was PROVED you fondled the little
girl's genital area.
     Most people would question ANY claim made by a CPS caseworker,
but Greg is so PRO CPS that any claim they make is 100% true and
accurate 100% of the time.
     It is, of course, possible that you LIED when you stated a
caseworker made the molestation accusation.  Since you are extremely
pro-CPS, you would want others to think you're on their side.  Having
them think a caseworker accused you of something as horrible as
molestation might just get parents who are dealing with CPS to trust
you.
    Once you had their trust, you could set about realizing your
ultimate goal:  The breaking up of the family.

>
>DDM > And of course, anyone who would say the
>DDM > following to their girlfriend must be unstable:
>DDM >
>DDM > "If you call the police, I'll knock out all of
>DDM > your teeth, I'll cripple you. I may go to
>DDM > prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be
>DDM > able to walk, but you will still be a cripple."
>
>David Daniel Moore posted test from the Pennsylvania
>court appeal of Gregory Christian Hanson who
>was in prison when last I checked.  He's also
>about a DECADE younger than I am.

     But you DEMAND that everyone with the same first and last name,
even if one is a Usenet nym, are all the same person.

>
>David knows it isn't me, he has my birth date from
>genuine court records.  He is merely trying
>to create a smokescreen to cover his other
>lies, particularly about his own identity.

     Which you harp on as a means to PROVE you believe everyone with
the same first and last name are all the same person.
     I was able to PROVE the David Moore who lives in Calumet City is
not the David Moore we know.  The David Moore from Calumet City would
fall under the "black" racial classification.  

>
>For a misfit sociopath with the history with
>women that Dave has to try this is funny.
>

     You should see his wife.  She's a very beautiful woman.
     Of course, you wouldn't think so, since she doesn't fit the
"white" demographic.

>Thrown any more bricks through exes windows, Dave?

     You question implies he's done so in the past.   Care to offer
evidence to support the implication, or shall everyone reading just
accept that you're lying?

[...]

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g...>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825febd@post...>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson




== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 2:17 am
From: "krp"  



"Greegor" <greegor47@gmai...> wrote in message
news:d2c9f907-638c-40cf-9925-a2ffe3cfb84f@p9g2......


On Sep 15, 11:28 pm, freedom
DDM > I'm surprised that Greg's owner Ken hasn't
DDM > pointed him to Freecycle. From what I've
DDM > heard, Ken loves freecycling. Almost as
DDM > much as he enjoys trolling for sex on craigslist.

    Oh Moore - YOU are the one who loves Freecycle and sending people to my
door expecting a FREE Centenial Edition Harley motorcycle or a FREE 1953
Corvette.  I'm not as angered by OU, Davey, and the frigging IDIOTS who
actually think that somebody would GIVE AWAY a $100,000 motorcycle or a
$200,000 car. You really manage to tweak MORONS. It is amazing hopw MANY
idiots there are in this country.

GH> For a misfit sociopath with the history with
GH> women that Dave has to try this is funny.
GH> Thrown any more bricks through exes windows, Dave?

    Davey is EXTREMELY BRAVE on the internet where he can be ANONYMOUS and
in the wee hours of the dark of night from cover. Face to face, in the
daylight, our Davey's NOT so brave.





== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 2:20 am
From: "krp"  



"Kent Wills" <compuelf@gmai...> wrote in message
news:gg81b55ft0vvk5imfdau8lm0c23nlnj62l@4ax.......
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:05:21 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
> <greegor47@gmai...> wrote:
>
>>On Sep 15, 11:28 pm, freedom
>>DDM > I'm surprised that Greg's owner Ken hasn't
>>DDM > pointed him to Freecycle. From what I've
>>DDM > heard, Ken loves freecycling. Almost as
>>DDM > much as he enjoys trolling for sex on craigslist.

>     How quickly everyone forgets I was able to PROVE Pangborn had
> lied about Freecycle.  His address, old and new, has NEVER appeared on
> any Freecycle add.

    BULLSHIT you LIAR. I even had the head of the Pinellas freecycle visit
me in person. The TRUTH is she did her best to remove your GAY LOVER'S shit
as fast as she became aware he posted it.
You can hold Moore's dick for him all you want, but you never "PROVED"
anything. Your LOUD POLACK claims don't make it so, Wills.






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TOPIC: Maine Kinship Care INSTITUTIONAL FIRE SAFETY Mandatory Standard
Checklist
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/85a7d394803df9d6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 12:22 am
From: Greegor  


On Sep 15, 11:38 pm, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@opto...> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 11:27 pm, Greegor <greego...@gmai...> wrote:
>
> > G > Dan, you knew this was for kids IN STATE CARE
> > G > and not about inspection of PARENTAL HOMES at all!
>
> > DJS3 > I didn't say this MANDATORY STANDARDS
> > DJS3 > checklist was for parental homes.
>
> > The context was set by YOUR OWN BITCHING
> > about clutter the trailer home from 2001.
>
> > Then you started several usenet threads
> > about the same subject hoping to avoid
> > the context WHICH YOU STARTED.

G > YOU started the context in reference to
G > a parents mobile home in 2001.

DJS3 > I responded to your specific question.

G > Dan, you started a thread carping about the
G > clutter in the mobile home.
G > Later, for SOME STRANGE REASON you
G > started other threads about the same subject.

G > Can't deal with it straight up, can you, Dan?

DJS3 > Sure, can YOU, grag?
DJS3 >
DJS3 > Is there anything on the Mandatory Standards
DJS3 > list that parents shouldn't comply with, grag?

Wired in smoke detectors?  Are yours wired in?

I found out the regular fire extinguishers we
have are ABC ones.  We had 4 in the trailer
and have 2 now.   Only one is required.

ABC is NOT the CO2 fire extinguishers,
but the cheaper normal fire extinguishers
in many homes.

> You claimed the checklist was "exclusively FIRE SAFETY."
>
> Where is it "exclusively FIRE SAFETY" in numbers 8 and 9 of the
> checklist???

Asked and answered.

DJS3 > Why don't you ask "I'm too stupid to comprehend that I'm
stupid?"

G > Dan, you know that was a paraphrase of what YOU had said.

DJS3 > You STILL were STUPID enough to ask the question, Greg.

I know you think you are a strategic genius, but
it was a CHILDISH little game you played.

You think you won that round, right?

[...]

DJS3 > I posted the nine MANDATORY STANDARDS checklist.

Again you capitalize what was a subordinate title.
In essence you have promoted it to be a MAJOR HEADING.

Dan, earlier I posted the ENTIRE WEB PAGE.
You have never done that, and you have snipped
it down to conceal the full title.

Tell me, Dan, Do you think those 9 points
are the only rules for kinship caretakers in Maine?

Where is the NO SPANKING directive?

You DO know that is directed, right?
For kinship caretakers and Fosters...

Please argue that one!

Not that any of this has to do with your
original bitching about clutter in a
parents mobile home IN IOWA.

Given what you've posted, would you say
now that there are not standards for CPS
inspection of parents homes?

You LOOKED and you could not find
any STANDARDS for CPS to use on
inspection of parents homes?

I actually hoped you would find a set of
such standards out there for some state.

Does NY have STANDARDS for CPS to use
when inspecting the homes of families they
investigate, Dan?

What made you try Maine and Washington state, anyway?




== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:29 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:28:52 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmai...> wrote:

>Dan, you knew this was for kids IN STATE CARE
>and not about inspection of PARENTAL HOMES at all!
>
>YOU started the context in reference to
>a parents mobile home in 2001.

    The girl's dad was there as well?
    That's really weird.  You move in while Dad is still with mom?

>
>You most certainly knew we were not kinship caretakers.

     You also aren't the girl's dad.

>
>You created multiple threads for this but you
>still managed to remove context both in our
>usenet discussion but also when you
>cut and pasted information and made assertions
>about it.

    You asked about standards.  Dan posted them.

>
>Your dishonesty and deception are on several levels at once.

     Dan was able to PROVE you the liar you are.  No amount of your
trying to hide the truth will alter the truth, Greg.

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g...>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825febd@post...>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson





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TOPIC: Dan (and Kent) thinking of another Garage Burglary
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/bac87c95e8cfb84f?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 12:41 am
From: Greegor  


You see a conversation where property is discussed.
YOU bring up the subject of garage burglary and
then you post the address the property is at?

More conspiracy to a Felony GARAGE BURGLARY?

Dan, YOU are EVIL!




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Subject: kenny pangborn posted the list of his "very valuable"
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On Sep 15, 7:45=A0pm, Greegor <greego...@gmai...> wrote:
> G > Has it occurred to you yet that Ken
> G > would not have an easy time of collecting
> G > insurance after posting the list?
>
> DJS3 > Please explain.
>
> G > Don't you think that there might be a reason that
> G > Ken Pangborn might feel reasonably secure that
> G > such a garage burglary would not go well?
>
> DJS3 > Please explain.
>
> Don't strain yourself thinking, Dan! =A0You might get a hernia.
>
> DJS3 > 6K in collectibles.
> DJS3 > 2K TV.
> DJS3 > TWO surround sound systems.
> DJS3 > 1.5K computer plus extras.
> DJS3 > Mo' money, mo' money!!!
>
> You're a veritable brain trust aren't you?

When kenny boy gets robbed he can show his insurance company that
everything that was stolen was documented on the internet a number of
times!!!

LOL!!!

[...]

Look for the sign in the front yard "HERE LIVES THE VILLAGE IDIOT."




== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:28 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmai...> wrote:

>
>Has it occurred to you yet that Ken would not have an
>easy time of collecting insurance after posting the list?
>
>Don't you think that there might be a reason that
>Ken Pangborn might feel reasonably secure that
>such a garage burglary would not go well?
>
>What could that be?
>WHAT could that be?

     The most plausible answer is that he has none of the stuff he
claims.
     If you can think of another plausible answer, please present it.

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g...>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825febd@post...>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson




== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:34 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:41:58 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmai...> wrote:

>You see a conversation where property is discussed.
>YOU bring up the subject of garage burglary and
>then you post the address the property is at?
>
>More conspiracy to a Felony GARAGE BURGLARY?
>
>Dan, YOU are EVIL!

     Regarding the subject;
     Please prove Dan and I have ever thought about committing a
garage burglary in the past.   You claim we're thinking of another, so
your drug induced delusions must force you to believe we've done so in
the past.
    Offer the evidence that we've done so, a win for you, or admit
that I've exposed ANOTHER of your MANY lies.

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g...>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."

"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson




== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 2:29 am
From: "krp"  



"Dan Sullivan" <dsulldan@opto...> wrote in message
news:f2715828-386e-4c26-89c3-80025ee4cba9@r33g......

> > ken pangborn is thinking about a garage sale.
> > 3648 Cockatoo Drive, New Port Richey, FLORIDA
>
> NEWS TO ME! You hitting the jou juice again, Danny?

DJS#3> Yesterday, kenny boy, you wrote "We'll most likely get around to
selling the stuff."

    SOMEDAY, Danny, SOMEDAY. The rest is your mental abberation.


> > Just today on misc.legal he posted,
> > "We had boxes all over for almost 2 months. In fact a YEAR later we
> > still have stuff in boxes in the garage. I have a HUGE Christmas
> > Village collection that are in boxes in the garage. Clutter? Yeah. I
> > have a LARGE surround sound stereo system in the garage because we
> > don't want a second system in the livingroom. Just the one with the
> > big screen Plasma in the family room. We'll most likely get around to
> > selling the stuff. No I won't throw it out because it is VERY
> > valuable. If I sell it for the appraised value it's worth maybe $6,000
> > or more."

> > Can anyone use a "LARGE surround sound stereo system?"
> > Maybe you can get him to part with the "big screen Plasma" TV in the
> > living room.

> Unlikely. BUT of you offer more than I paid for it, I'd consider it.

> > Or his new computer system?

> Again if you offer me more than I paid for it, I'd be open to the offer.

> > Keep in mind it's all "very valuable," says ken.

> Danny you are always so charming. Pick up a copy of the Department 56
> Greenbook." See what some of the RETIRED special editions are selling for.
> Some pieces are listed as being worth over $800. So it isn't ME claiming
> they are valuable. Both Department 56 and Lemax have PUBLISHED value
> books.
> YOU can hallucinate ANY way you want, KOOKLA.

DJS#3> Are you not concerned that someone might break into your garage
simply
DJS#3> because you're listing all this "very valuable" stuff on the
internet? Crossposting, I might add.

    Well, tell me Danny, are you planning on hiring on with your buddy, Ken
Wills, in the GARAGE BURGLARY business?  Need the money, Danny? is this some
kind of limp wristed THREAT?
Tell me what kind of sensors I have in my garage, Danny!  I knowm you are
the GREATEST TRIAL LAWYER IN AMERICA (sarcasm) coluld I suggest to you and
Wills that you read up on Florida's CASTLE DOCTRINE?

> If folks want to make offers
> on the Yamaha surround unit I'd entertain any SERIOUS offer. It's CASH and
> carry. No checks. The Plasma is 2 years old. But if you have a spare $2K
> you
> can come with the CASH and pick it up.

DJS#3> If they get into the garage it wouldn't be too difficult to get into
DJS#3> the house for your $2K plasma TV and the surround sound system you
say
DJS#3> goes with that.

    Is that based on YOUR burglary experience or the EXPERT opinion of your
pal Kent Wills? It's be LOTS more difficult than you or your IDIOT buddy
think.

DJS#3> When is your house left unoccupied, kenny boy?

    Why, do you want to make an appointment?

DJS#3> Can someone tell when there's no car in the driveway?

    For ME to know and *YOU* to find out the HARDEST of all possible ways,
Danny. Come and try and find out IF you ever see 62.








== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 2:30 am
From: "krp"  



"Greegor" <greegor47@gmai...> wrote in message
news:5d1f00dd-37a8-40f1-b315-61d4b81b05a8@v2g2......
On Sep 15, 11:18 am, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@opto...> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 11:43 am, "krp" <kr...@veri...> wrote:
>
> > DAN SULLIVAN MENTAL INMATE"Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@opto...> wrote
> > in message
>
> >news:53bbee6b-8104-4b8c-8303-351af65bbdf5@o35g......
>
> > > ken pangborn is thinking about a garage sale.
> > > 3648 Cockatoo Drive, New Port Richey, FLORIDA
>
> > NEWS TO ME! You hitting the jou juice again, Danny?
>
> Yesterday, kenny boy, you wrote "We'll most likely get around to
> selling the stuff."
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Just today on misc.legal he posted,
> > > "We had boxes all over for almost 2 months. In fact a YEAR later we
> > > still have stuff in boxes in the garage. I have a HUGE Christmas
> > > Village collection that are in boxes in the garage. Clutter? Yeah. I
> > > have a LARGE surround sound stereo system in the garage because we
> > > don't want a second system in the livingroom. Just the one with the
> > > big screen Plasma in the family room. We'll most likely get around to
> > > selling the stuff. No I won't throw it out because it is VERY
> > > valuable. If I sell it for the appraised value it's worth maybe $6,000
> > > or more."
> > > Can anyone use a "LARGE surround sound stereo system?"
> > > Maybe you can get him to part with the "big screen Plasma" TV in the
> > > living room.
>
> > Unlikely. BUT of you offer more than I paid for it, I'd consider it.
>
> > > Or his new computer system?
>
> > Again if you offer me more than I paid for it, I'd be open to the offer.
>
> > > Keep in mind it's all "very valuable," says ken.
>
> > Danny you are always so charming. Pick up a copy of the Department 56
> > Greenbook." See what some of the RETIRED special editions are selling
> > for.
> > Some pieces are listed as being worth over $800. So it isn't ME claiming
> > they are valuable. Both Department 56 and Lemax have PUBLISHED value
> > books.
> > YOU can hallucinate ANY way you want, KOOKLA.

DJS3 > Are you not concerned that someone might break
DJS3 > into your garage simply because you're listing
DJS3 > all this "very valuable" stuff on the internet?

DJS3 > Crossposting, I might add.

KRP > If folks want to make offers on the Yamaha surround
KRP > unit I'd entertain any SERIOUS offer. It's CASH and
KRP > carry. No checks. The Plasma is 2 years old. But if
KRP > you have a spare $2K you can come with the CASH
KRP > and pick it up.

DJS3 > If they get into the garage it wouldn't be too difficult
DJS3 > to get into the house for your $2K plasma TV and
DJS3 > the surround sound system you say goes with that.
DJS3 >
DJS3 > When is your house left unoccupied, kenny boy?
DJS3 >
DJS3 > Can someone tell when there's no car in the driveway?

GH> Conspiracy to a Felony Garage Burglary, Dan?

    He has an EXPERT to teach him, Greg, KENT WILLS. Oh wait. Kent tried it
twice and got CAUGHT both times. Maybe Danny should ask somebody ELSE for
EXPERT assistance on that?







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TOPIC: Why I mourn Kent Wills' piss poor reading skills
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/c5b0cfa0cdd1866f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:21 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:58:41 GMT, "krp" <krp34@veri...> wrote:

>
>"Kent Wills" <compuelf@gmai...> wrote in message
>news:j3kua5t6rectsigsteh5d8fji71c16aqvu@4ax.......
>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:10:46 -0700 (PDT), womanGoddess
>
>>     Given Pangborn's MASSIVE girth, it's possible that even with
>> medication he is unable to achieve an erection.
>
>    Given photos of yourself YOU have posted from time to time, Wills, IF
>they are really YOU and not more of your FAKES,

      If I posted a picture of me, it was and is of me.  Feel free to
prove otherwise, if you claim the pictures of me are not of me.

>you have NO ROOM at all to
>refer to anyone else's weight. NONE at all there Henry Hippo.

     I'm not as thin as I was five years ago, but I'm no where near as
obese as you.
    Back in the early 90's I was.  I don't KNOW how much I weighed,
but I would guess between 350 and 400 pounds.  Seriously.
     My life was mostly sitting at the computer chatting on IRC and
eating Cheetos.
    I just got on the scale and I'm 182 pounds.  Yes, I could stand to
drop 15 or so pounds.  You could stand to lose an entire person,
though you'd still be extremely obese.
    Five years ago I was around 170 pounds.
    Whereas I was once as obese as you are now, I certainly do have
room to refer to your weight and point out how you are unwilling to do
anything about it.
     Based on pictures, it looks like you found the fat I lost. You're
welcome to keep it :)

>
>    As far as you and Ms. McAllister, why don't you two just GET A ROOM.
>

     While you've made it very clear you cheated on your ex-wife
(unless you lied), not everyone is so willing.
     I would have no problem meeting Moe and having a discussion with
her in real life, but to cheat on Lin, as I'm guessing you are trying
to imply, simply would never happen.  Even if Moe were at all
interested, and she's given NO indication that she would be, cheating
wouldn't happen.


"Quotes below have been highly altered."
   -- Kenneth Robert Pangborn accidentally admitting in misc.legal
that he alters posts when he replies.




== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:25 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:54:22 GMT, "krp" <krp34@veri...> wrote:




     Several of Kenneth Robert Pangborn, drunken and insane (unless he
lied about both) owner/operator of KRP Consulting and The A-Team, post
edits have been restored.  This allows anyone new to the discussion a
chance to see Pangborn's replies in proper context.


>
>"Kent Wills" <compuelf@gmai...> wrote in message
>news:jojua5pp9fs44nej0n69dgka02ebd4oqp2@4ax.......
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>From the start I said that that FAKE post was actually a CUT AND
>>>>>>>>>>>PASTE
>>>>>>>>>>>of several (6 as I recall) posts that I *DID* make.
>
>>>>>>>>>>     Why do you lie?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Why do you?
>
>    What part of CUT and PASTE and POST EDIT don't you bget Polack?

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

>You POST
>EDIT all the time Mr. Troll.
>

     Cite one time, with the MID and/or Google link to it.  Just one
is all I ask.
     If you'd rather admit you lied, that is acceptable.

>>>>>>>>     You've never exposed so much as one lie from me, while I've
>>>>>>>> exposed so many from you, it would take too long to count.
>>>>>>>>    Now, please answer the question asked.
>
>>>>>>>    Kunt - you truly ARE a legend in your own mind. You still delude
>>>>>>>yourself that making wild unsupported claims and your BELLOWING is
>>>>>>>"proof."
>
>>>>>>     I see you still refuse to answer the question asked.  Is an
>>>>>> honest answer really so difficult?
>
>>>>>>     I do like how your reply has NO relation to the context of the
>>>>>> question asked.
>
>    What question is that, TROLL?

     "Why do you lie?"
     The question is clearly visible above.

>
>>>>>    Kunt, do you believe that people are OBLIGATED to answer every
>>>>> INSANE
>>>>>question you pose? You really ARE "full of yourself."
>
>>>>     If you want people to accept the truth that you were lying, that's
>>>> fine.
>
>>>    Kunt do you think that YOU posting a link that FAILS to say what YOU
>>>claim  it does will lead intelligent people to believe YOUR LIES?
>
>>    Since I've not lied, I don't need to worry about it.
>
>    You do nothing else but LIE.

     Yet you've NEVER been able to prove a single lie from me. Since
I've not lied, your failure was and is expected.

>It's WHO you are, Wills. You are trapped in
>a gigantic lie of your own admissions. One is that you NOW claim your name
>is NOT "Kent Wills."

     You acknowledged my name in real life isn't Kent Wills.  It was
in the thread about your listserv.
     Are you claiming you were lying?

>For YEARS you claimed it was.

     No I didn't.

>Now that people have
>discoverd and EXPOSED your criminal history suddenly that IS NOT your name.
>Which LIE of yours are prople supposed to believe?  It's the old game of "is
>you is, or is you ain't?"

     I'm me.
     On Usenet, and some E-mail, I use the nym Kent Wills.  This is
very old news.
     In real life, and some E-mail addys I use my real name.   You
acknowledged this truth already.  No amount of your drunken desire to
hide from the truth will alter the truth.

>
>
>>>>     I just hope than any potential clients see that you're lying and
>>>> chose to go with a trial consultant who isn't out to rip them off.
>
>>>    I know what you "HOPE" Wills.
>
>>     That you'll be able to overcome the mental illness you have.  The
>> very one that you claim caused you to be found legally insane [1].
>
>    I caliemd NO such thing. YOU claim I claimed it.

      Are you making the FACT CLAIM that you did not write, "I am
insane!" in a post to ADRU?

>You use a POST EDIT for
>your claim NEVER the whole post.

     I can look up and post the MID, allowing anyone with an interest
to verify the accuracy and context of the quote, if you'd like.

>Even when you do use whole posts for your
>IDIOTIC INSANE CLAIMS, they never quite seem to back you up. In a repy to an
>ANONYMOUS David Moore post on the Alien Rape the IN C ONTEXT reply from me
>was that it was OBVIOUSLY "sarcasm and ricule" you TRY to claim can ONLY
>mean I was admitting authorship because in WILLSWORLD only the author COULD
>comment on it.

     I've made no claim that only the author could comment on it.
     I stated only the author can assign motivation to the threat,
which is what you did.
     Your attempt to LIE about what I wrote has been exposed.

>Of course, Wills you ARE a MORON. So nobody in the confines
>of your TINY - TWISTED mind could read the comment about aliens raping a
>women could possibly see it as anything but DEADLY SERIOUS.

     I make no claims as to your motivation.  Maybe you did intend the
threat to be sarcastic and presented it as a means of ridicule, maybe
not.
     I'm not interested in the actual motivation, only that your
telling people, with authority, what the motivation was proves you
wrote the threat.

> YOU beleive in
>horny space aliens orbiting the Earth desperate for  some "Eartgh pussy." I

     You should cease your constant projection.

>do NOT! First of all I see NO credible evidence that "ALIENS" from outer
>space have visited Earth.

     Yet you are compelled to project your belief that they have and
are horny onto others.

>I also find your notion of hordes of SEX STARVED
>SPACE ALIENS coming to Earth to be completely PREPOSTEROUS!  YOUI believe it
>is REAL. Kunt, *I* do NOT!  It's really as simple as that.

     You can project your delusions onto others as often as you need.
The truth will forever remain the truth.

>
>
>
>>>in your twisted mind that calling the
>>>comment "SARCSM" is an admission that *I* wrote it, paints ypou as a man
>>>with VEY SERIOUS mental problems.
>
>>     Only the author can KNOW the motivation.
>
>   Bullshit, Wills. How many people believe in orbiting hordes of SEX CRAZED
>Aliens REALLY exist, besides you, Moore and McAllister? REALLY  - PERVERTS
>FROM SPACE? Kunt, you are INSANE.

     You keep trying to distract from the point at hand.  That you
assigned motivation to the threat.  You didn't guess the motivation,
you didn't state you thought it was a means of sarcasm and ridicule.
No, you state, absolutely, that it was.
     If you were simply commenting on what you believed to be the
motivation, you would have written something akin to, "I think that's
sarcasm, David.  Ridicule of Stacy Alexander."
     Had you done so, it would have been clear you were simply stating
what you thought or believed to be the motivation.  You chose to
state, absolutely, that it was sarcasm and ridicule.  Only the author
could KNOW what the motivation was.

>
>>     Let's make this real easy.  Did you author the rape threat being
>> referenced in our discussion?     It's a yes or no question.
>
>    And the "NO" has been posted for YEARS.

     So when I find someone who replied to your threat directly,
quoting you, what will you do?  Will you again claim that David Moore
has edited the posts archived on Google?

"you are reading Moore's SELECTIVE material that is HIGHLY edited."
   Kenneth Robert Pangborn claiming in misc.legal that David Moore can
and does edit Google's Usenet archive.
Message-ID: <n9Sfm.1372$nh2.455@nwrd...>

>
>>>There was NO such admission. Your DEMAND
>>>that ONLY the author of it is allowed to comment on it is a truly bizarre
>
>>     I've made no such claim.
>
>    Oh shit, another LIE from KUNT WILLS.  

     I've never claimed only the author of a work can comment on the
work.   I've never even implied such.

>Yopu have now posted the
>following claim over 100 times:

     Another of your MANY lies.

>
>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."
>
>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."
>
>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."
>
>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."
>
>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."
>
>That is YOUR claim.
>

     True.
     There is a difference between knowing the motivation and
commenting on a work.
     No amount of your trying to confuse two separate matters will
alter the truth, Pangborn.  You may keep trying, and you likely will,
but the truth will remain the truth, no matter how much you NEED to
try and distract from it.

>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."
>
>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."
>
>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."
>
>WRONG!!!!

     Not wrong.

>
>>>In your world nobody can comment on a statement EXCEPT THE
>>>AUTHOR.
>>
>>     I've made no such claim.
>
>REPRISE!!!
>
>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."
>
>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."
>
>"Only the author can KNOW the motivation."

     You can have as many k00k meltdowns as you need.  I've never
claimed only the author can comment on a writing.

>
>    Sometimes the "MORIVATION" is so OBVIOUS that iot SCREAMS off the
>monitor screen,.

     Only in your alcohol addend mind.

>KUNT!  Unless you actualkly BELIEVE that there are HORNY
>ALIENS coming to Earth for a little Earth NOOKIE, (which *I* do NOT) but YOU
>DO.
>

     You need to cease projecting, Pangborn.  Doing so only serves to
make you look more the fool.

>>>Yet you do that evey day of the week. I know you are merely a TROLL
>>>who has NO cares for how people regard him.
>>
>>    I don't worry much about how you regard me.  You are
>> insignificant.  Outside of Usenet fodder, you have NO discernable
>> impact on my life.
>
>
>And yet almost 100% of YOUR posts to Usenet are either TO me or ABOUT me.
>It consumes your ENTIRE LIFE. Since your posts span the entire day.

     My posts span about 15 to 20 minutes between 3:00am and 4:00am
during the week.
     I have more free time on the weekends, so I do tend to visit
Usenet more.
     You, however, post many times each day. Usenet is all you have in
life.

>>     Anytime someone addresses me by my real life name in real life, I
>>acknowledge it.  The only reason I wouldn't is if I wasn't aware they
>>had done so.
>>     Much the same as I acknowledge when someone addresses me on
>>Usenet by my Usenet nym.
>>     You often address me as Kent Wills, even though you admitted in
>> the thread about your listserv that you know my name in real life is
>> not Kent Wills, and I reply accordingly.  Only in your drunken fantasy
>> world is this a denial of my nym.
>
>    I "admitted" NO such thing. I said you LIED to gain access to my
>Listserv just like your QUEER boyfriend David Moore.
>

     No, you claimed I lied about my name on Usenet.  Even though I've
been very open that Kent Wills isn't my name in real life, you still
claim it was and is a lie.
     You freely acknowledged my nym on Usenet is not my name in real
life.
     Unless you are going to claim you were lying, you are stuck with
your acknowledgment.

>>>  I NEVER claimed alsoholism.
>>
>>     Technically true.  Since there is nothing, as far as I know,
>>called alsoholism, you couldn't claim it.
>>     On two occasions, of which I am aware, you claimed to be an
>>alcoholic.  I used to use one of those claims as a sig for several
>>months.
>>     While I was doing so, you never even tried to deny the accuracy
>>of the sig.  Since it included a verbatim quote and the MID of your
>>post, you really couldn't.
>
>
>    FACTUALLY TRUE, Kunt. I am a NON-drinker. Despite your claims that I
>have a string of DUI's,

     I've made no such claim.

>the public record fails to support your psychotic
>lies. You seem to forget that such records are PUBLIC and ON-LINE. But you
>don't care that the REAL recrod fails to support you, you will just keep on
>lying like a little EX-CON will do.

     Since I've never claimed you have one DUI, let alone a string of
them, your lie only serves to further prove you to be the pathological
liar you are.
     Why do you claim people have stated you have a string of DUIs
when no one ever has?

>>
>>>YOU drink FAR more than I ever have. Not
>>>even a 6 pack worth in 68 years. And even less wine and hard liquor in 68
>>>years. Not enough hard liquor to fill a shotglass.
>
>>
>>     If alcoholism wasn't the reason you were found legally insane
>>[1], why did you LIE, on at least two occasions, and claim it was?
>>    Be specific, please.
>>

      Pangborn?

>>>
>>>>>in their flying saucer and strange sexual experiments performed on you.
>>>>>But *I* do NOT believe that
>>>>>there are hordes of sex crazed aliens out there, Kunt.  You and your
>>>>>rubber
>>>>>room pals can believe in that shit.
>>>
>>>>     Whereas I've never made such a claim, and haven't seen anyone
>>>> else make such a claim, your lie fails.
>>>
>>>    Sure, kent, you not only claimed ytou were abducted by Aliens who
>>>performed stange sexual experiments on you, you ADMITTED to liked it!
>>
>>     I doubt anyone is falling for your lies, though it is possible.
>>     Even if anyone is so feeble minded as to buy the lies you sell, I
>>doubt they would have any discernable effect on my life.
>>     I might toy with them a bit on Usenet, but once Agent closes,
>>they aren't likely to be thought of any longer.
>>

     Pangborn?

>>>
>>>>     But by all means, prove your FACT CLAIM that I've stated,
>>>> directly or through implication, that I've been abducted by space aliens.
>>>
>>>
>>>    You ADMITTED IT! You even said you LIKED IT!
>>
>>     I see your massive consumption of alcohol (unless you lied) has
>>forced you to lie again.
>>     Inability to prove your claim and your admission, and by your own
>>standards and by default, that you were and are lying is accepted.
>>

     Pangborn?

>>[1]
>>"I am insane!"
>>   --Kenneth Robert Pangborn, of KRP Consulting and The A-team.
>>
>>     Were you lying when you posted that claim in ADRU?  If you wish,
>>I can track down the MID so that anyone with an interest may verify
>>the accuracy of the quote.
>
>    I have NEVER said that, your POST EDITS not with ANY standing. That's
>all yopu bring to the take, your PSYCHOSIS.
>

      I don't post edit.  I've restored many of your post edits.  This
will upset you greatly, since it means the context was resorted.  And
as you've already admitted, you edit the posts in your reply to alter
the context.  Here are but two examples, one of which has the MID,
allowing anyone with an interest to confirm the accuracy and context
of the quote.

"(CONTEXT REMOVED AS TO THE BELOW CLAIM)"
   Kenneth Robert Pangborn admitting he alters the context of posts
when he replies.
   MID FyUom.1363$Jd7.1084@nwrd...

"Quotes below have been highly altered."
   -- Kenneth Robert Pangborn accidentally admitting in misc.legal
that he alters posts when he replies.




== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:41 am
From: "krp"  



"Kent Wills" <compuelf@gmai...> wrote in message
news:4u71b59hivj78mu9h3qc2p8l7ki2fcmsd4@4ax.......

>>>     Given Pangborn's MASSIVE girth, it's possible that even with
>>> medication he is unable to achieve an erection.
>>
>>    Given photos of yourself YOU have posted from time to time, Wills, IF
>>they are really YOU and not more of your FAKES,
>
>      If I posted a picture of me, it was and is of me.  Feel free to
> prove otherwise, if you claim the pictures of me are not of me.


Thanks for admitting the HIPPO was you! HELLO MR. POT!






==============================================================================
TOPIC: Household clutter standards according to Dan Sullivan
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/3b40e820362156fb?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:26 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:22:06 GMT, "krp" <krp34@veri...> wrote:

>
>"Dan Sullivan" <dsulldan@opto...> wrote in message
>news:285adcec-d143-4914-9a9b-4832158411dc@z28g......
>
>> Why do you suppose they never took any photos, or asked to?
>
>DJS#3> Because their description was enough evidence.
>
>    Enough for who?

     I'm not Dan, though Greg thinks I am, but based on the evidence,
the courts.

>
>> Did you know that most CPS agencies have no STANDARDS
>> for a home inspection?
>
>BJS#3> What are the standards for the CPS agencies that do have standards.
>
>    Okay, I'll bite, Danny, WHAT are they? Care to post them? I tought not.

    Dan asked Greg for the standards, stupid.

>More of your INSANE BULLSHIT claims. Feel FREE to post these non-existant
>"STANDARDS" you say exist.

     Outside of your drunken delusions, Dan didn't claim they exist.
Greg did.
     Greg made the FACT CLAIM that most do not have standards.  If
most do not have standards, then some must have standards.
     It's possible Greg lied and none have any standards.  It's also
possible he lied and all do.
     Since it's been PROVED, multiple times, that Greg is a pro-CPS
shill, he would know better than most what the standards are for those
agencies that have them.

>What are YOUR standards, Danny? At what point do
>YOU claim that household clutter is "ACTIONABLE CHILD ABUSE?" Have you ever
>know a SOCIAL WORKER to exaggerate their claims, or even OUTRIGHT FABRICATE
>accusations against a parent?

     It's a safe bet they all do.
     Greg has shown he has NO problem with this.

>At what point, IN YOUR EXPERT OPINION does the
>household clutter justify state intervention?  

     I've seen nothing to indicate Dan is an expert in such things.
     Again your alcoholic delusions have caused you to make a FACT
CLAIM about someone that you KNOW isn't true.
     Do you really believe your behavior is normal?

>Try NOT to use your usual
>platitudes and jingoisms, but be specific for a change. (Impossible request,
>so it'll be ignored.)
>
>

     Whereas Dan didn't make the claim that there are standards, your
correct that your request is impossible.  Only Greg can answer the
question, but you'll NEVER ask him.


"CPS cases are legal matters. Offering advice IS practicing law
without a license."
    Kenneth Robert Pangborn admitting he practices law without a
license in misc.legal




== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:26 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:26:54 -0700 (PDT), Dan Sullivan
<dsulldan@opto...> wrote:

>On Sep 15, 10:40 am, "krp" <kr...@veri...> wrote:
>> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@opto...> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4339760e-811d-462a-a576-ef37b2f78666@k26g......
>>
>> > > On May 7, 2001, grag hanson said he took pictures to document the
>> > > progress he made in reducing the height of the clutter from CPS'
>> > > description of "to the ceiling" DOWN TO FOUR FEET!
>>
>> > Danny do you think that people who have moved recently have "clutter" in
>> > their homes? Ask anyone who has moved. We had boxes all over for almost 2
>> > months.
>>
>> DJS#3> grag hanson moved into Lisa Watkins' single wide when her daughter
>> was
>> DJS#3> five years old.
>>
>>     Irrelevant you your HOWLING about the place being CLUTTERED. If you want
>> to HOWL to officials you could turn me in right now because our living room
>> is complete chaos with boxes everywhere. My wife is cataloging our Christmas
>> Village display (VERY extensive.) So there are boxes everywhere as she
>> photographs every piece for the insurance company.
>
>You never insured you Christmas Village collection before?

     It's not so hard to believe.  Kenny-Bob is NOT a smart man.

>
>> ALL of the pieces are
>> "retired" collectors items, many were "special limited editions" that carry
>> today a significant value.
>
>So you've had these items for quite a while, without insurance.

     That was and is his choice.  If he has valuable collectors items
and is willing to take the risk, he's not required to have insurance.
     Yes, it's a very stupid thing to do, but Pangborn consistently
PROVES he's not a smart man.

>
>> She's photographing each piece for the catalog,
>> and researching every piece to get the original sale price and the current
>> collector value of every piece. Ceramic buildings and decorations. Even
>> though it isn't yet complete, a conservative estimate has a value of several
>> thousand dollars. Many pieces are irreplaceable.
>
>Just yesterday you said "I have a HUGE Christmas Village collection
>that are in boxes in the garage."
>
>Which is it, kenny boy, is the collection in the garage or in the
>living room?

     Maybe they converted the garage into a living room.  Unlikely,
but not impossible.

>
>You spend so much time bragging about your shit you don't realize your
>"stories" change in a matter of hours.

     Sometimes within the same post, though this isn't an example of
such.
    If Pangborn would just be honest, he wouldn't get confused about
which lie he's presented.

>
>>     The POINT is that the living room is cluttered as hell. Would that be
>> actionable by the state?
>
>If the clutter prevented a child from leaving the home as fast as
>possible in case of a fire, I think it would.
>
>I'm going to cross post your message so the people who might want to
>visit your house for a midnight garage sale will know what to take.
>
>3648 Cockatoo Drive, New Port Richey, FLORIDA
>
>If you have a sign in front of your house that reads "HERE LIVES THE
>VILLAGE IDIOT," you can take it down.

     Hey, the sign would be in full complains with applicable "Truth
in Advertising" regulations and laws.

"CPS cases are legal matters. Offering advice IS practicing law
without a license."
    Kenneth Robert Pangborn admitting he practices law without a
license in misc.legal




== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:27 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmai...> wrote:

>
>KBW > No one would see a wide screen TV as a box [...]
>

    Nowhere in yiOrm.2296$Jd7.2048@nwrd..., the MID for
the post to which you are replying, is the above quote seen.
    Care to explain to the readers WHY you needed to include something
that wasn't in Ken's post?

>That's "our" Kent Bradley Wills!

     At no point in Ken's post, the one to which you are replying, did
the sentence you quote appear.
     Why are you so UNABLE to be honest, except by accident or force?
I know I've asked you this MANY times and you've RUN from each one,
but I want you to have every possible chance to explain.

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g...>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825febd@post...>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson




== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:27 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:03:28 GMT, "krp" <krp34@veri...> wrote:

>
>"Kent Wills" <compuelf@gmai...> wrote in message
>news:1vjua5dofqm5khb8j795536thk1rjp077a@4ax.......
>
>>>> On May 7, 2001, grag hanson said he took pictures to document the
>>>> progress he made in reducing the height of the clutter from CPS'
>>>> description of "to the ceiling" DOWN TO FOUR FEET!
>
>>>    Danny do you think that people who have moved recently have "clutter"
>>> in
>>>their homes? Ask anyone who has moved. We had boxes all over for almost 2
>>>months. In fact a YEAR later we still have stuff in boxes in the garage.
>
>>     Do you present that you lived in the garage?
>>     Unless you do, your analogy fails.
>
>    Lived? Depends on how YOU play with words.

     I don't need to play with words.

>We store lots of extra
>cooking utensils there.  We are in and out of it several times every day. Do
>we sleep there? No. My step son has been known to eat in the garage when he
>is working on fixing bicylces. He's the neighborhood bicycle mechanic.

     So your analogy fails.  OK.

>
>>>I have a HUGE Christmas Village collection that are in boxes in the
>>>garage.
>>>Clutter? Yeah. I have a LARGE surround sound stereo system in the garage
>>>because we don't want a second system in the livingroom. Just the one with
>>>the big screen Plasma in the family room.
>
>>     You can't afford a small screen plasma, let alone a big screen.
>
>    Yeah right. I have a 50 inch Samsung in the family room and a 46" LCD in
>the bedroom.

     Yet you couldn't pay your financial obligations.

>
>>>We'll most likely get around to selling the stuff.
>
>>     Based on all available evidence, you NEED the money, so selling
>> it would be a wise move.
>
>    What "evidence" is that Danny?

     Outside your drunken delusions, I'm not Dan.
     Will you use the name of everyone who subscribes to your listserv
in a futile effort to learn my name in real life?

>Your drug induced hallucinations? There
>isn't room here to put up the display I had on my old screen room. (700
>square feet). My wife has had other ideas for the screen room we have. That
>is her plants. She has landscaped the property and has a jungle in the
>screen room. Plants inside, vines outside.  A Bananna tree, several
>pineapple plants, and two Yellow Tab. trees that she grew from seeds. Moose
>horn plants.

     YIKES!  Far more maintenance that I would want to invest.

>But YOU would never understand that.

     I have a thriving garden, Kenny-Bob.  I don't have the high
maintenance items you claim for your home, but I do know a thing or
two about horticulture.

>Her undergrad degree was
>in Botany.

     As one would expect with a judge :-)

>She loves plants. She makes the place comfortable and beautiful.
>Everyone who has visited our house finds the vegetation to be breatkaingly
>beautiful.

     Would you be willing to post pictures?  I'd love to see the
gardens.

>
>>>No I won't throw it out because it is VERY valuable. If I
>>>sell it for the appraised value it's worth maybe $6,000 or more.  But
>>>folks
>>>that move face that problem. I can't imagine what it would have been like
>>>for Greg moving from a 3 bedroom home to a trailer. I find the OUTRAGE of
>>>a
>>>social worker in such a circumstance - laughable. Because of work I have
>>>had
>>>to move several times in my life. 4 moves with one company alone as I was
>>>being promoted from job to job.
>
>>     Would that be the phantom job with IBM?  The one that made you
>> VERY ignorant about computing?
>
>    NEVER said I worked for IBM,

     In fact, you made that very claim.

>but the company I did work for sent me to
>their programming school in Tarrytown, New York.  YOU in your mental
>abberations have that contaminated together to things I didn't say.  I even
>NAMED the company I worked for some years ago. It was a LARGE Italian
>company. If you want to know the name, DO SOME RESEARCH.

     You claimed you worked for IBM.  You may have worked for a
different company as well.  That's not the matter in dispute.
     Once again you prove you MUST distract from the truth.

>
>>>City to city. Then when the company folded,
>>>moving to Utah for a job in broadcasting. And a move 5 years later back to
>>>Wisconsin for a custody trial (I won).
>
>>     And now your children want NOTHING to do with you.
>
>    Bullshit I am VERY close to them. YOUR hallucinations aside.

     Megan claimed in her blog that NONE of your children will have
anything to do with you.
     Given the level of pure HATE she expressed for you, it is
possible she lied.  I don't know her, in direct contrast to your
claims that I communicate with her on a daily basis, so I can only go
by what she wrote.
     The tone of her writings certainly give me the impression that
her hate for you is so great she would be willing to lie if it caused
you any degree of grief.
    Of course, she would be in a far better possition to explain her
motivation.  I can only guess.

>
>>>Then here to Florida. Moving into a new house. Oh I know all too well the
>>>pain in the ass of moving. I hope this
>>>is the LAST time I ever move.  Living out of boxes is NO joy. Especially
>>>when you have to wait a month to set up the kitchen because you needed to
>>>remodel it.
>
>>     You mean you wanted to remodel it.  There is a difference.
>
>    No, dipshit, remodeling the kitchen was a necessity. The house was built
>in 1975. The stove was a unit housed in the cabinate. Not even plywood but
>"OLD FIBERBOARD"  The burners while they were new ceramic units didn't work
>properly. The refrigerator worked, sort of, but used electricity like mad.
>There was no microwave in the house. The cabinets mostly were swollen from
>humidity, most doos wouldn't close, one pilled apart when we tried to open
>it. So we shopped and got a new kitchen. We replaced all the appliances with
>those rated highest in Energy Star ratings.

     Replacing appliances isn't remodeling.

>High end Whirlpool Gold units.
>We got great buys because we bought at the right time to get last year's
>models.

     That is the way to do it.  Last years models will typically work
every bit as good as the current ones, and cost less.
     This is how we got the great deal on the PT Cruiser.  It listed
for something like $22,000.00 and we got it for $16,000.00.  I'm 100%
convinced the agreement for the lower price was just to get it off the
lot.

>The cabinets and the appliances are al white.  We also replaced the
>cieling lights with new florescent bulbs cutting the energy use by two
>thirds. VERY GREEN all the way.

     Have you thought about a sky light?
     On "Living With Ed" on Planet Green, his wife had a dome sky
light installed.  It used fairly small ducts that were highly
reflective to send natural sky light to the kitchen and bathroom.
    During the day, no other light source was needed in either room.
    I don't know that the sky light was needed in the kitchen.  While
difficult to tell on a TV show, it always looked to me like the
windows allowed in enough light.
     The bathroom had, and I presume has, no windows.  The sky light
system worked, and I presume works, very well in there.

>That included range refrigerator microwave
>and dish washer. The appliances will PAY for the new kitchen in energy
>savings in 5 years.
>
>> Kenneth Robert Pangborn, self admitted alcoholic, insane
>> owner/operator of KRP Consulting and the A-Team, admitting his claims
>> that I've been found legally insane are lies.
>> MID aRcrm.2326$tl3.1641@nwrd...
>
>Does NOT resolve, Danny. Why is that?  YOUR TYPICAL BULLSHIT!
>

     I'm not Dan.  Really.
     You may hold the drunken delusion that I am Dan.  However, the
truth will forever be in direct opposition to your drunken claims.
     That aside, it does resolve to your post in which you make the
claim.


"CPS cases are legal matters. Offering advice IS practicing law
without a license."
    Kenneth Robert Pangborn admitting he practices law without a
license in misc.legal




== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:28 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:02:00 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmai...> wrote:

>DJS3 > You spend so much time bragging about your shit you
>DJS3 > don't realize your "stories" change in a matter of hours.
>
>Life is like that, Dan!
>The Christmas Village in the Garage can become the
>Christmas Village cataloging project in the living room
>within a short amount of time!

     I'm amazed Barbara waited so long to take the photos.  What if
someone had broken in last week and stole the collection?
     With something as valuable as Pangborn has claimed, proper
documentation would have been done well before yesterday.

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g...>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825febd@post...>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson




== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:29 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:05:52 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmai...> wrote:

>DJS3 > Then the clutter on stairs wouldn't apply, kenny boy.
>
>Would clutter on stairs apply to a trailer in Iowa?

    Why are you asking essentially the same question Dan answered?

>
>DJS3 > Did grag not remove the "to the ceiling" boxes
>
>WHAT "to the ceiling" boxes?
>

     Unless you lied, the boxes were stacked to the ceiling.

>DJS3 > in Lisa Watkins' trailer home because CPS
>DJS3 > couldn't tell him what the clutter standards
>DJS3 > were for stairs?
>
>What stairs?
>Dan you are taking lessons on BS from Kent Wills.

     You're the one who has to snip away the context, Greg.
     I understand that under the Gregborn Rules of Debate™, you are
permitted to do such, but for those who live within reality, it only
serves to further prove you can't be honest.  Unless you make a
mistake or are forced.

>
>DJS3 > Now try and switch grag's to the "to the ceiling" boxes to a
>problem
>DJS3 > with teenagers leaving their sneakers on the stairs.
>DJS3 >
>DJS3 > BTW there were no teenagers in Lisa Watkins' trailer home.
>
>And NO STAIRS in a freakin ""Mobile"" Home.

     A point Dan already acknowledged and you snipped.
     Do you think you've won anything?

>But sneakers left on stairs would be TRULY dangerous!
>

     There is certainly a potential for danger.

>[...]
>
>KRP > Many, if not most, social workers are childless.
>
>DJS3 > Irrelevant.
>
>> >  Little kid spill things.
>
>DJS3 > That has nothing to do with clutter.
>
>> > It's their JOB. You can YELL at them, spank them if you are a BAD
>> > parent, or you can smile and wipe up the mess and tell them it's okay. IF
>> > you are human, you can remember all the times as a kid that YOU spilled
>> > stuff, and even now that you are an adult, you have an accident on occasion.
>> > Shit happens, Sullivan! BUT other than mansions with huge staffs, most folks
>> > will have occasional clutter, even to the point of making getting to a door
>> > difficult.
>>
>> Dishes left in the sink or on a kitchen table wouldn't\
>> prevent a child from leaving a house in case of fire.
>>
>> >  It's called LIFE, Danny.
>
>DJS3 > If the clutter could prevent a child from leaving a home as
>fast as
>DJS3 > possible when it's on fire, it could be called DEATH.
>
>CPS caseworkers are NOT Fire Inspectors.
>
>Why is it that Google searches of ascps for "to the ceiling" and
>4 feet or Four Feet do not return any hits but these new posts?

     Did you nuke the old ones?


Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g...>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825febd@post...>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson




== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:29 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:08:12 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmai...> wrote:

>G > Cute, Dan, but you knew very well that
>G > these are not standards for inspection
>G > of a parents home.  They are for STATE CARE.
>
>DJS3 > You didn't specify a parent's home, grag.
>DJS3 > You said "standards for a home inspection."
>
>DJS3 > And these are the MANDATORY STANDARDS for kinship care in
>Maine.
>
>You LIED again!   It is exclusively FIRE SAFETY for kinship.

[...]

     How do the following rules fit into your LIE that it is
"exclusively FIRE SAFETY for kinship."?

8. Medicines, Poisons, Hazardous Materials, Household Cleaners: These
items must be locked up or stored in a place that is inaccessible to
young children.

9. Guns, Firearms, Bows, and Arrows: All items must be kept unloaded
and locked up. Ammunition and arrows must be locked up separately from
guns and bows. They cannot be transported in a vehicle with a child as
a passenger.

     I don't see how those apply to fires in any way.
     Please explain to me, and anyone else reading, how your mind sees
those as applying to fire safety.


Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g...>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."

"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825febd@post...>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson




== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:30 am
From: Kent Wills  


On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:22:12 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmai...> wrote:

>G > Cute, Dan, but you knew very well that
>G > these are not standards for inspection
>G > of a parents home.  They are for STATE CARE.
>
>DJS3 > You didn't specify a parent's home, grag.
>DJS3 > You said "standards for a home inspection."
>
>DJS3 > And these are the MANDATORY
>DJS3 > STANDARDS for kinship care in Maine.
>
>G > You LIED again!   It is exclusively
>G > FIRE SAFETY for kinship.
>
>Dan SNIPPED THIS and then called me a liar:

     You made the FACT CLAIM that it's exclusively FIRE SAFETY.

8. Medicines, Poisons, Hazardous Materials, Household Cleaners: These
items must be locked up or stored in a place that is inaccessible to
young children.

9. Guns, Firearms, Bows, and Arrows: All items must be kept unloaded
and locked up. Ammunition and arrows must be locked up separately from
guns and bows. They cannot be transported in a vehicle with a child as
a passenger.

     Even with the whole of your post included, you've been proved a
LIAR once again.
     You make it far too easy for everyone.


>--------------------------------------------
>http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/ocfs/cw/kinship.shtml
>FIRE SAFETY / HOME SAFETY CHECKLIST
>PLACEMENT NAME:___Date:___  Address:____
>The Mandatory Standards Are:
>------------------------------------------
>
>DJS3 > Greg, you flaming, third rate LIAR!!!!!
>DJS3 > Where is it "exclusively FIRE SAFETY" in
>DJS3 > numbers 8 and 9 of the checklist???
>8. Medicines, Poisons, Hazardous Materials, [...]
>9. Guns, Firearms, Bows, and Arrows: All items [...]
>
>I WAS wrong in that only 7 of nine points was
>about FIRE SAFETY, and would also fall
>under the title HOME SAFETY.
>

     And having raw electronics in the home with a six or seven year
old child wouldn't be seen as safe by any rational person.

>On the OTHER hand, Dan full well
>knows that he started this bitching
>about clutter in a parents mobile home.

     You were never the child's parent, Greg.

>
>How large are these "egress" windows?
>Big enough for a fireman with all of his
>gear on?  Air tanks as well??

     It would be nice, though impractical.

>
>7 out of nine points are about fire safety
>but then "The state Fire Marshall"
>has to travel across the state to inspect it?
>
>CPS has NO STANDARDS for inspection of a parents home.

     So you flat out LIED when you said only most lack standards? You
either lied then, or you are lying now.
     While purely academic, you lied one of the times you made the
contradictory FACT CLAIMS, I'd like to know which one is the lie.

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-d77bccfc6...@p49g...>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:  "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.0401111639.6825febd@post...>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                             April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson




== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 2:21 am
From: "krp"  



"Dan Sullivan" <dsulldan@opto...> wrote in message
news:4aafe3b0$0$31259$607ed4bc@cv.n......
>>
>>> Why do you suppose they never took any photos, or asked to?
>>
>> DJS#3> Because their description was enough evidence.
>>
>>    Enough for who?
>>
>>> Did you know that most CPS agencies have no STANDARDS
>>> for a home inspection?
>>
>> BJS#3> What are the standards for the CPS agencies that do have
>> standards.
>>
>>    Okay, I'll bite, Danny, WHAT are they? Care to post them? I tought
>> not.
>
> Posted on asCPS.


Posted on your bathroom wall.  BULLSHITTER!






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TOPIC: Which Side is Donna Alarie Really On??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/t/b8bafd87a0998488?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 16 2009 1:36 am
From: samsloan  


On 9月16日, 下午1时28分, jkh001 <jkh...@aim....> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 10:04 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmai...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > [quote="samsloan"][quote="DACP"][quote="BrianLafferty"][quote="DACP"]
> > Good thinking.  I've already spoken to USCF's attorney.  They know how
> > to reach me when they need me and know I'll answer questions when
> > asked.  I've chosen to leave it with the USCF attorney to handle.[/
> > quote]
>
> > I will pass your comment along to counsel.[/quote]
>
> > I'm sure USCF's attorney did so long ago as well as I am sure you well
> > know.  As I stated to him, I will answer questions to USCF's
> > attorney.  If the joint defense agreement requires him to provide the
> > information to your attorney, that is fine, but at least USCF will
> > have the information first and know how to defend itself as your
> > interests and USCF's interests continue to diverge and at some point,
> > someone will have to deal with the issue of what to do as that
> > happens.
>
> > Feel free to ask your questions here Mr. Lafferty.  I'll answer all of
> > them - here.    In fact, if your attorney wants to send me a list of
> > questions, I'll answer them - here.  As I stated to the USCF attorney,
> > I prefer not to be called as a witness for either side.  I have no
> > personal liability for anything I've done.  I have nothing to hide and
> > I have a life outside of USCF.[/quote]
>
> > Since you say that you have nothing to hide, why don't you just answer
> > the question, which is: What exactly is the extent of your involvement
> > with Polgar and Truong?
>
> > You claim to be against them, but everythng you post and everything
> > you said at the delegates meeting seems to be inclined to help them.
>
> > Sam Sloan[/quote]
>
> > Since Donna refuses to answer my questions, and says that she will not
> > even read them, I will provide an example:
>
> > At the USCF Delegate's meeting in Indianapolis, AFTER Polgar and
> > Truong had been expelled from the USCF and on appeal the expulsions
> > had been upheld, Donna refused to withdraw her motion that a recall
> > election be held of the membership.
>
> > Donna said that she wanted the vote submitted to the membership to
> > cement the expulsion of Polgar and Truong. However, as Tim Redman and
> > others pointed out, having a recall election could and likely would
> > result in Polgar and Truong winning, the vote in which case they could
> > claim that they were back on the board.
>
> > So, Donna's supposedly anti-Polgar and anti-Truong motion was in
> > reality a pro-Polgar and pro-Truong motion, something they clearly
> > wanted.
>
> > Similarly, looking at Donna's posts, Donna consistently advocates
> > things that Polgar and Truong want too, which causes us to wonder
> > which side Donna is really on.
>
> > Sam Sloan
> > in Shenyang, China
>
> Good lord, I didn't think the Sloon could top himself. A motion to
> recall Polgar and Truong is a motion in favor of Polgar and Truong?
> War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. A number of
> people, including me, were worried about the legal implications of
> suspending memberships in order to remove from the Board. Can the
> Delegates really do something indirectly that they are forbidden to do
> directly? Maybe, but a clean recall vote would have eliminated any
> questions. A majority of the Delegates disagreed, however.
>
> As for the possibility that Truong and Polgar might have won such a
> vote -- well, if the members chose to repudiate the decision of the
> Delegates, we'd have to live with it. Just as we had to live with
> their idiotic decision to elect a nutcase like the Sloon in 2006.- 隐藏被引用文字 -
>
> - 显示引用的文字 -

Yes. A motion to recall Polgar and Truong by a vote of the general
membership AFTER Polgar and Truong have already been expelled from the
USCF is a motion to help Polgar and Truong.

Sam Sloan




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