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m : moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org 14 January 2012 • 6:56PM -0500

Re: [MD] What is truth?
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Marsha, all,

>
> Greetings,
>
> I take the term 'truth' to mean "conformity with fact or reality".    
> In most definitions, “reality” is pretty much defined as “that which  
>  exists”.  In the MoQ, static patterns on value exist; exist not as  
> independent, inherent entities, but as patterns.  As such, I take  
> static patterns of value to represent truths.
>
> Anybody have a problem with the above statement?
>



The statement seems generally irrefutable.



It's merits:

1. It neither denies nor affirms the existence of other things than  
static patterns.
2. Patterns existing "non-independently" seems to be a way of saying  
they are "relative" (according to a wording you have used), that is,  
"recursive" (according to a wording I have used), without using either  
of those wordings.



Possible room for improvement:

> I take the term 'truth' to mean "conformity with fact or reality".    
> In most definitions, “reality” is pretty much defined as “that which  
>  exists”.

I would have said: "I take the term 'reality' to mean "conformity with  
definition or observation. In most definitions, 'existence' is pretty  
much defined as 'being defined or observed'."

The concept of "truth" is peculiar in the sense that it is widely used  
in maths, logic and computer science (normative quality) and in  
religious or mystical context (subjective quality) but not so much in  
empirical science (objective quality).

> As such, I take static patterns of value to represent truths.

I would have said: "As such, I take static patterns of value to  
represent reality."



Other notes:

I have tried to think of synonyms for what you mean with "relativity"  
and what I mean with "recursion".

Words that apply to individual patterns:

non-independence (from you)
codependence (possibly from CTMU)
relativity*

Words that apply to all patterns as a whole:

self-referentiality
self-determinism (from CTMU)
self-assembly
autogenesis
recursion
Buddhist relativism**

Words that apply to the formal theory that I find to underlie pattern  
construction:

dynamicality (a programming language metaphor)
flexibility
computability
functionhood



* This would be the dictionary definition of the word. It is intuitive  
and simple to anyone who does not already associate it with something  
complicated, but unfortunately many do.

** Western relativism doesn't seem to have much to do with MOQ-related topics.



-Tuukka
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