Hi Ian,  

And I was agreeing with your point, and hopefully suggesting it might be valuable to phone one's senators.    


Marsha


On Jan 19, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:

> My point is it's not a human rights / freedom of speech issue - it's
> about quality.
> You know, the subject of this mailing list.
> Ian
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Ian Glendinning
> <ian.glendinning@gmai...> wrote:
>> Agreed Marsha.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 AM, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ian,
>>>
>>> After hearing a discussion/debate on an NPR station, I called the two CT senators requesting they not sign either bill, but negotiate and craft better legislation.  Phoning was a small enough action, but more powerful than just holding an opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:45 AM, Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinning@gmai...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rubbish.
>>>>
>>>> YouTube and Wikipedia already carefully enforce IP Copyrights.
>>>>
>>>> The state has always been / is always able to enforce laws, including
>>>> preventing law-breakers from operating illegally. Everyone is free to
>>>> break the law, they just need to take responsibility for the
>>>> consequences.
>>>>
>>>> These are just very badly drafted bills that need some practical
>>>> negotiation, but the principle is sound.
>>>> IP Copyrights need to be fairly enforceable on the internet across
>>>> national borders.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.psybertron.org/?p=4099
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16623831
>>>> http://www.psybertron.org/?p=4063
>>>> http://www.psybertron.org/?p=4059
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko
>>>> <mail@tuuk...> wrote:
>>>>> You are asking.
>>>>>
>>>>> The law will make State able to close YouTube, Facebook, Wikipedia and
>>>>> others at will.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Tuukka
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 19.1.2012 5:02, Ian Glendinning kirjoitti:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As a matter of interest Tuukka, what is your view of SOPA / PIPA ?
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko
>>>>>> <mail@tuuk...>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you realize this stuff is happening in your home country?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://vimeo.com/31100268
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Tuukka
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