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m : moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org 27 January 2012 • 3:12AM -0500

Re: [MD] The first cut.
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Hi Marsha,
For what it is worth, I have a comment (what a surprise).  I do find
the bridge making to be important to help the spread of MoQ.  MoQ is a
Western metaphysics since it uses Western concepts which help us to
discuss it.  None of us are familiar with the Eastern way of seeing
reality (as far as I know), except perhaps for some strict Buddhists
who sometimes contribute.

The translation between East and West is difficult, especially when
using the Western vernacular.  An example of this, in my opinion, is
the use of the term Relative.  Those who translate the Eastern word
into the word relative do not have a philosophical appreciation of
what the term refers to in Western philosophy.  This confusion is not
uncommon since there are not many who are fully proficient in both
(myself included on both counts).  I find Alan Watts to be one such
person with a foot in both sides, but this took many years of direct
experience with both, and the ability to provide meaningful analogies.

Somebody like Hagen may have an appreciation for Eastern Buddhism, but
he displays a lack of knowledge (in my opinion) of Western philosophy
with all its intricacies.  I do not blame him for this.  However, when
quotes of his are used to exemplify an Eastern tradition as is
consistent with Western thinking I find this to be somewhat naive and
superficial.  Hagen perhaps has an understanding of Buddhism, but he
does not have the tools to translate it for serious philosophers into
Western thinking.  His translations are more "fast food" than anything
else.  They are "feel good" sentiments for rapid consumption.  Yes, I
have read three of his books.

These knots created by presenting quotes from him or Wallace for that
matter (Wallace is not a physicist, by the way), can be untied through
discussion.  However, that takes dynamic interpretation from both
sides of the discussion.  It does not help the revealing of the bridge
to simply stand firm on one's ground and state that "this is the way I
see it".

So my only suggestion is to become involved in the discussion and
contribute novel modes of presentation as to what you mean.

Cheers,
Mark

On 1/26/12, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>
> On Jan 26, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Horse <horse@dark...> wrote:
>
>> Marsha's explorations do little to advance the MoQ (in my opinion) but I
>> don't think she is doing harm.
>
>
> Greetings Horse,
>
> I am very interested in investigating the MoQ as a bridge between the East
> and West.  From RMP's initial interest in Northrop's 'Meeting of East and
> West: An Inquiry Concerning World Understanding' and his recommendation of
> Steve Hagan's book ‘Buddhism: Plain and Simple’, I think he is quite
> interested in accommodating both East and West philosophies.  If you think
> my approach so far has been a dismal failure, maybe you suggest a few
> strategies more to your liking.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marsha
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