Mark,

There is a meditation technique where you watch of the stream of thoughts (bits and pieces of pattern) going through your mind without attaching to the them.  I have never been able to watch the watcher so there is nothing to say about that experience.  

Marsha


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On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:56 PM, 118 <ununoctiums@gmai...> wrote:

> Marsha,
>
> Mark says "touch your nose".  It is as simple as that.  Of course you
> would say that you do not have a nose, but that the stream has them.
> To that I say, "stream touch your nose".  I feel like I am posting to
> a ghost of some kind.  Do you come out at night?  Are you kind of wavy
> and spooky?  Are you one of those Dean Koontz characters?
>
> Besides, when you say "if you watch the stream..", what do you mean by
> that?  Is there a "you" that can actually watch the stream?  You seem
> to contradict yourself in a single paragraph.  At least get your story
> straight.  Is there something that can watch the stream or isn't
> there?  Is it one big tangle of nothing at all?   And if it is nothing
> at all, then why do you post about it?  Nothing comes from Nothing, as
> they say.  Wisper me sweet nothings...
>
> You are starting to worry me.  Perhaps you really are an algorithm,
> constantly mutating like a computer virus in a mindless way.  Perhaps
> there is no ghost in that machine.  WAKE UP!  Is there anybody in
> there?  Perhaps it is impossible to do mindfulness if there is nothing
> to do it.  That would explain a lot.  Let go of all that baloney, if
> just for a moment.  You are free of patterns!  You are nothing more or
> less than you.  You do not need any excuses.
>
> The Devil made me do it.  Those gosh darn manipulative patterns.
>
> Kind regards,
> Mark
>
> On 2/3/12, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Marsha says what can be found, first-hand, is a continuous, stream of
>> experiences, but not an independent, inherently-existing, substantial self
>> that is calling the shots.  And if you watch the stream of experiences, you
>> find that the stream is made up of discontinuous bits and pieces of patterns
>> with associated feelings, perceptions, motivation and awareness.
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
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