There is plenty to say about it. You just have to find the words.
Who is watching the stream of thoughts that you present below?
Certainly it is not the thoughts watching themselves, is it? Just dig
a little deeper, you may be almost there. Of course you cannot watch
the watcher, but what difference does that make? Do you need to watch
something to know it is there? Do you need to watch Love to make it
Let go, just a little. It is right there beside you. You don't need
to look at it directly to prove to yourself that it exists. It is the
screen on which all this movie is being played. If a movie did not
have a screen, we sure could not see the movie. If life was not
played on something, we would not be aware of being alive.
Besides, it has nothing to do with "watching one's thoughts". That
sounds too intellectual. Do you spend all day watching your heart
beat? If not, then why not? It is as much you as your brain. If you
did not have a mirror, would you spend all day wondering what is doing
the seeing? If you look for the "I" you will never find it, just like
you cannot look for your eyes. But that is far from convincing proof
that you do not have eyes.
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 7:40 PM, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
> There is a meditation technique where you watch of the stream of thoughts (bits and pieces of pattern) going through your mind without attaching to the them. I have never been able to watch the watcher so there is nothing to say about that experience.
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> On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:56 PM, 118 <ununoctiums@gmai...> wrote:
>> Mark says "touch your nose". It is as simple as that. Of course you
>> would say that you do not have a nose, but that the stream has them.
>> To that I say, "stream touch your nose". I feel like I am posting to
>> a ghost of some kind. Do you come out at night? Are you kind of wavy
>> and spooky? Are you one of those Dean Koontz characters?
>> Besides, when you say "if you watch the stream..", what do you mean by
>> that? Is there a "you" that can actually watch the stream? You seem
>> to contradict yourself in a single paragraph. At least get your story
>> straight. Is there something that can watch the stream or isn't
>> there? Is it one big tangle of nothing at all? And if it is nothing
>> at all, then why do you post about it? Nothing comes from Nothing, as
>> they say. Wisper me sweet nothings...
>> You are starting to worry me. Perhaps you really are an algorithm,
>> constantly mutating like a computer virus in a mindless way. Perhaps
>> there is no ghost in that machine. WAKE UP! Is there anybody in
>> there? Perhaps it is impossible to do mindfulness if there is nothing
>> to do it. That would explain a lot. Let go of all that baloney, if
>> just for a moment. You are free of patterns! You are nothing more or
>> less than you. You do not need any excuses.
>> The Devil made me do it. Those gosh darn manipulative patterns.
>> Kind regards,
>> On 2/3/12, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>> Marsha says what can be found, first-hand, is a continuous, stream of
>>> experiences, but not an independent, inherently-existing, substantial self
>>> that is calling the shots. And if you watch the stream of experiences, you
>>> find that the stream is made up of discontinuous bits and pieces of patterns
>>> with associated feelings, perceptions, motivation and awareness.
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