Andre said to David H:
...Quite frankly, I have given up on her [Marsha's] proliferation of quotes, you-tube responses and answers-in-return to posts by contributors most of whom have taken quite some time preparing their responses. Claiming she wants to explore the Buddhist side of the MOQ she presents nothing but what Ken Wilber has termed "Boomeritis Buddhism" which he sees as 'the greatest internal threat to the dharma in the West". ....Think of it as an unusually virulent, endemic, post-modern psychological affliction. It is a disorder that combines the extremes of pluralism ("all realities are equally valid") with those of narcissism (don't challenge MY convictions about MY reality"). The ingredients of narcissism are a major barrier to genuine, deep, spiritual transformation. Until introspection and insights begin to soften the hard soil of one's old narcissistic attitudes, it is difficult for the seeds of transformation to take root and grow. This is a long process of DEconditioning. It req
uires a supportive environment. One slowly learns about oneself and starts to apply this new understanding every day, in subtle actionable deeds. This process of reshaping our old attitudes and behaviors is what is meant by LIVING Zen".(pp 11-12)  ...You're very nice about it David and I admire your patience. I'm done with her slitherings and slidings. As dmb remarked earlier you cannot remain reasonable with a person who is unreasonable.

dmb says:
That makes sense because relativism allows the narcissist to believe that she never really be wrong about anything. It's an attitude that says solipsism isn't so bad because at least I get to be the star of the show, the center of my personal universe universe, where ideas only mean what they mean to ME. Relativism and narcissism go together like cheese and wine, like religion and self righteousness, like peanut butter and jelly.      
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