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m : moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org 17 February 2012 • 6:58AM -0500

Re: [MD] Truth and Relativity 2.9.9
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Hi Marsha,
Then there is also the "relative" as in kinship or family "relation",
and we should not replace "relative" with "kinship" either, unless
that is what you are speaking of.  I think what you are using is
definition 8, which may be appropriate.  That is happiness in regard
to a person's view, or happiness stemming from a person (change
"happiness" to "truth").  We exude truths, we do not live by them.
That would be futile indeed.

In Western metaphysics, the word relative has specific meaning, that
is, not the common everyday meaning.  Metaphysics is a form of Math as
presented by Russell.  Logic must be adhered to, otherwise it is "just
whatever you want it to be".  Words are operators in logic.  A fuzzy
word is not too useful, as you can tell from the firestorm.

As you know from mindfulness, things do not have to be considered in
relation to other things.  The divide between such things is a false
divide that stems from the SO view of the world.  Here in MoQ we
understand that.  It is the nature of what creates the appearance of
such separation that we are interested in.  That, of course, is
Quality.  Everything we can put into sq has qualities, and MoQ is an
sq ghost of Quality.

Thank you for the clafification in what you meant. (?).

I am on your side whether you like it or not.

Mark

On 2/16/12, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
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> Mark,
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> The definition of 'relative' (see 6.) contains the word relation, but that
> does not mean it should be replaced by the word relationalism.
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> Marsha
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> relative
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> noun
> 1. a person who is connected with another or others by blood or marriage.
> 2. something having, or standing in, some relation to something else.
> 3. something dependent upon external conditions for its specific nature,
> size, etc. ( opposed to absolute).
> 4. Grammar . a relative pronoun, adjective, or adverb.
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> adjective
> 5. considered in relation to something else; comparative: the relative
> merits of democracy and monarchy.
> 6. existing or having its specific nature only by relation to something
> else; not absolute or independent:  Happiness is relative.
> 7. having relation or connection.
> 8. having reference or regard; relevant; pertinent (usually followed by to
> ): to determine the facts relative to an accident.
> 9. correspondent; proportionate: Value is relative to demand.
> 10. (of a term, name, etc.) depending for significance upon something else:
> “Better” is a relative term.
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> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relative)
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