Yes Marsha,
But these authors use the word in a different way than you do.  That
is the problem.  Your use is not consistent with theirs.  Because the
words are spelled the same way does not mean they mean the same thing.
This is the fuzzy aspect I am referring to.  Please be more clear in
your use of this word by following up with a well thought out
self-created metaphysical paragraph on what you mean.  It would help
all of us understand what you are trying to present to the group.
Thanks,
Mark

On 2/16/12, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> I know of no reason not to use the word 'relative'.  Your fuzzy thinking is
> not a legitimate reason to reject the word.  The word 'relative', according
> to the dictionary, does not have a low quality meaning.  Anthony uses the
> word, Alan Watts uses the word, the Buddhists commonly use it; and given
> that ZAMM has references to Zen Buddhism, and RMP was first inspired by 'The
> Meeting of East and West' by F. S. C. Northrup and his recommendation of
> Steve Hagen's book, 'Buddhism Plain and Simple', I think it is very
> acceptable to use the word.  Even 'Relativism', a word I did not use, from a
> philosophical point-of-view does not have a low quality definition.
>
> Rel-a-tiv-ism
>
> Noun  _philosophy_
> The theory holding that criteria of judgements are relative, varying with
> individuals and their environment.
>     (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Relativism)
>
>
>
>  Marsha
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 16, 2012, at 5:58 PM, 118 <ununoctiums@gmai...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Marsha,
>> Then there is also the "relative" as in kinship or family "relation",
>> and we should not replace "relative" with "kinship" either, unless
>> that is what you are speaking of.  I think what you are using is
>> definition 8, which may be appropriate.  That is happiness in regard
>> to a person's view, or happiness stemming from a person (change
>> "happiness" to "truth").  We exude truths, we do not live by them.
>> That would be futile indeed.
>>
>> In Western metaphysics, the word relative has specific meaning, that
>> is, not the common everyday meaning.  Metaphysics is a form of Math as
>> presented by Russell.  Logic must be adhered to, otherwise it is "just
>> whatever you want it to be".  Words are operators in logic.  A fuzzy
>> word is not too useful, as you can tell from the firestorm.
>>
>> As you know from mindfulness, things do not have to be considered in
>> relation to other things.  The divide between such things is a false
>> divide that stems from the SO view of the world.  Here in MoQ we
>> understand that.  It is the nature of what creates the appearance of
>> such separation that we are interested in.  That, of course, is
>> Quality.  Everything we can put into sq has qualities, and MoQ is an
>> sq ghost of Quality.
>>
>> Thank you for the clafification in what you meant. (?).
>>
>> I am on your side whether you like it or not.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 2/16/12, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> The definition of 'relative' (see 6.) contains the word relation, but
>>> that
>>> does not mean it should be replaced by the word relationalism.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> relative
>>>
>>> noun
>>> 1. a person who is connected with another or others by blood or marriage.
>>> 2. something having, or standing in, some relation to something else.
>>> 3. something dependent upon external conditions for its specific nature,
>>> size, etc. ( opposed to absolute).
>>> 4. Grammar . a relative pronoun, adjective, or adverb.
>>>
>>> adjective
>>> 5. considered in relation to something else; comparative: the relative
>>> merits of democracy and monarchy.
>>> 6. existing or having its specific nature only by relation to something
>>> else; not absolute or independent:  Happiness is relative.
>>> 7. having relation or connection.
>>> 8. having reference or regard; relevant; pertinent (usually followed by
>>> to
>>> ): to determine the facts relative to an accident.
>>> 9. correspondent; proportionate: Value is relative to demand.
>>> 10. (of a term, name, etc.) depending for significance upon something
>>> else:
>>> “Better” is a relative term.
>>>
>>> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relative)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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