Mark,

I don't find the RMP quotes to be logically incoherent; I was being a little sarcastic.  I see them pointing beyond logic.  I didn't find anything in the Watts quotes to represent an incoherent logic, either, but you did!  But then you might have the audio version of Watts that makes it a "special" way of knowing the truth.  

"All this is just an analogy."
      (ZAMM, Chapter 30)

Marsha


On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:58 AM, 118 <ununoctiums@gmai...> wrote:

> I do not find these quotes to be logically incoherent, but maybe that
> is just me.  I try to see what Pirsig is presenting from Pirsig's
> point of view, and this is gained from reading the book as a whole.
> As such, his analogy makes coherent sense to me.
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 3:12 AM, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Speaking of the logically incoherent:
>>
>>
>> "I think present-day reason is an analogue of the flat earth of the medieval period. If you go too far beyond it you're presumed to fall off, into insanity. And people are very much afraid of that. I think this fear of insanity is comparable to the fear people once had of falling off the edge of the world. Or the fear of heretics. There's a very close analogue there."
>>
>>      (ZAMM, Chapter 14)
>
> As I understand this quote, he is presenting an analogy of the closed
> view which written logic presents.  There is much written, but there
> is much more experienced.
>>
>>
>>
>> "If your mind is truly, profoundly stuck, then it might be much better off than when it was loaded with ideas"
>>
>>     (ZAMM, Chapter 24)
>
> This for me is a standard Zen presentation, and as such it makes sense to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> "The world comes to us in an endless stream of puzzle pieces that we would like to think all fit together somehow, but that in fact never do."
>>
>>       (LILA, Chapter 8)
>
> This would be yet another way of saying that the puzzle we are
> creating is conditional.  Of course they fit together since we create
> the pieces.  However, such fitting only applies through the formality
> of logic.  Outside of that there is no fitting.  The endless stream
> points to that outside of logic which is its nature.  The point being
> that one should not be bewitched by the pieces we create, for there
> are many ways of interpretation.  Of course I am representing with
> words that which is wordless.
>>
>>
>>
>> What a trip!
>
> Glad you are having fun with this.
>
> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> M
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