Well Marsha,
Logic always points to something beyond, else wise we would be stuck
in a static world.  So I am glad you say that, for that is RMP's
intention as it is mine.

I am not sure what you mean by "incoherent logic", any logic which is
not understood is incoherent, and therefore not logic.  I find Watts
to be quite coherent.  He does not necessarily mean what he writes,
though so one cannot take him literally.  This is why it is better to
listen.  Pasages that are meant to be sarcastic or ironic are
understood in a different way.  I you only read Watts, you will never
see what he means, only what you want him to mean.  The spoken word
brings things to life in a different way than the written word.  The
life you bring into Watts' words by reading them is simply your own
reflection.  It has nothing to do with Watts.

Who ever said anything about truth?  Watts claimed to be an
entertainer!  Is a musician presenting Truth?  Please, get on the MoQ
bandwagon of Quality.  The body knows the truth, but the brain
certainly does not, it creates truth.  Hopefully you know what you
create.

Cheers,
Mark

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:35 AM, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> I don't find the RMP quotes to be logically incoherent; I was being a little sarcastic.  I see them pointing beyond logic.  I didn't find anything in the Watts quotes to represent an incoherent logic, either, but you did!  But then you might have the audio version of Watts that makes it a "special" way of knowing the truth.
>
> "All this is just an analogy."
>      (ZAMM, Chapter 30)
>
> Marsha
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:58 AM, 118 <ununoctiums@gmai...> wrote:
>
>> I do not find these quotes to be logically incoherent, but maybe that
>> is just me.  I try to see what Pirsig is presenting from Pirsig's
>> point of view, and this is gained from reading the book as a whole.
>> As such, his analogy makes coherent sense to me.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 3:12 AM, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Speaking of the logically incoherent:
>>>
>>>
>>> "I think present-day reason is an analogue of the flat earth of the medieval period. If you go too far beyond it you're presumed to fall off, into insanity. And people are very much afraid of that. I think this fear of insanity is comparable to the fear people once had of falling off the edge of the world. Or the fear of heretics. There's a very close analogue there."
>>>
>>>      (ZAMM, Chapter 14)
>>
>> As I understand this quote, he is presenting an analogy of the closed
>> view which written logic presents.  There is much written, but there
>> is much more experienced.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "If your mind is truly, profoundly stuck, then it might be much better off than when it was loaded with ideas"
>>>
>>>     (ZAMM, Chapter 24)
>>
>> This for me is a standard Zen presentation, and as such it makes sense to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The world comes to us in an endless stream of puzzle pieces that we would like to think all fit together somehow, but that in fact never do."
>>>
>>>       (LILA, Chapter 8)
>>
>> This would be yet another way of saying that the puzzle we are
>> creating is conditional.  Of course they fit together since we create
>> the pieces.  However, such fitting only applies through the formality
>> of logic.  Outside of that there is no fitting.  The endless stream
>> points to that outside of logic which is its nature.  The point being
>> that one should not be bewitched by the pieces we create, for there
>> are many ways of interpretation.  Of course I am representing with
>> words that which is wordless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What a trip!
>>
>> Glad you are having fun with this.
>>
>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> M
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