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m : moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org 23 April 2012 • 7:51AM -0400

Re: [MD] A problem with the MOQ.
by Joseph Maurer

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Hi Ham and All,

I have no idea how you distinguish metaphysics from physics?  A defined
language of physics, mathematics embraces SOM.  SOM denies reality to the
indefinable aspect in logic found in DQ/SQ metaphysics.  Analogy and
metaphor are indefinable when describing evolution as levels in existence, a
metaphysical perception beyond the logic of mathematics.

MOQ establishes the logic door DQ/SQ in the acceptance of an indefinable
reality DQ.  

SOM has no opening to evolution.  The existence of S is not other than the
existence of O.  Its focus on indefinable reality as analogy and metaphor is
only poetic license. SOM cannot distinguish the existence of physical
reality and metaphysical reality. They are the same.  In SOM There is no
metaphysical existence apart from physical existence.  Evolution is a
non-starter!  

DQ/SQ metaphysics opens a discussion to the metaphysical reality DQ/SQ.
This focuses attention on a difference in physical and metaphysical
realities in existence MOQ indefinable and SOM definable.

The conception of evolution as levels in existence, is not validated in S/O
logic. S/O is not metaphysical reality.  SOM is physical reality masked as
Metaphysics which is a level beyond Physics.

Opening a door to evolution as levels in existence is nonsense in SOM.  The
words for evolution Inorganic, Organic, Emotional, Intellectual, Higher
Emotional and Higher Intellectual (the last two the purview of heroes), are
not found in S/O evolution SOM.  Hamstrung and not reality in ontology SOM
requires tweaking.

Mathematics leaves evolution in a strait jacket.  The use of words like One,
Good, Thing, True are not descriptions of evolution.

Mathematics is logically challenged in MOQ.  Mathematics denies validity to
the understanding of truth in analogy and metaphor describing evolution.
Only denial like Many, Bad, Nothing, False are useful.

The conception of metaphysics has use only in a denial of a logic in
physics.  The true affirmation of the reality of evolution, realities in
existence is denied.  MOQ is a joke.

Nevertheless despite the strict logic for language, analogy, metaphor,
metaphysics, reality is a many splendored thing.

Imho that is not the use that words should embrace instead of definition.

  


On 4/21/12 9:49 PM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1@veri...> wrote:

> It would have us believe that
> individuals and their conceptions are only "patterns" generated by an
> evolving cosmic Quality which can't be defined, that life has no meaning
> apart from moving with the flow of evolution to its predestined
> "betterness".
>
> Sorry, Joe, but that ontology is not acceptable to me.


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