[Craig]
Let's start with an easy one: 2 + 2 = 4. What is your possible revision?

[Arlo]
2+2=4 is only useful inside a specific symbolic system where we agree on a certain set of shared axioms. Change the axioms, remove the usefulness, and this statement means nothing.

[Craig]
The shape the dust has is its actual shape (what other shape could it be.)

[Arlo]
Depends on who or what you ask. "Shape" is a pattern we apply, for its usefulness. You're really way out in objectivism now, Craig.

[Craig]
But that the sailor successfully used a map of the West Indies to navigate the islands of the East Indies doesn't make it a correct map of the East Indies.  

[Arlo]
You're confusing 'useful to a sailor' with 'useful to a cartographer', or assuming one defines objectively true and untrue. In either case, both maps are 'right' to their respective users so long as they are useful, when this breaks down for either the map becomes (for them) the 'wrong' map.


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