Ron (X Acto) stated May 17th:


Ant,

Parmenides profoundly influenced Plato (at least thats what he wrote)

Leading to the conversation I would most like have with Bob Pirsig.
It would be cool to have an ale with him and debate whether or not
attributing "change" to DQ has the kind of clarity of meaning when it
refers to that which has no distinction.

Would he say "change" was the first "form" of the good?.

Probably because good is a migration toward betterness.

'n' thats change.

hmm...  change may be a static pattern;

I'll be damned.


Ant McWatt comments:


Damned you indeed are Ron!  As the following quote from my PhD indicates:

"logical priority in the MOQ is given to Dynamic Quality before all intellectual concepts.  This includes ‘time’ as Pirsig
(1997d) illustrates:

'The MOQ starts with the source of undifferentiated perception itself as the ultimate reality.  The very first differentiation is probably‘change’.  The second one may be ‘before and after’.  From this sense of ‘before and after’ emerge more complex concepts of time.'"

(http://robertpirsig.org/MOQTime.htm)


God knows what Kant would say about that though. 


Best wishes,

Ant


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