Hi Marsha,

Metaphysics formats our experience of reality.  Pirsig observed DQ/SQ in his
experience.  He observed that DQ/SQ described the experience of reality.
Emotions are not thoughts like S/O. Emotions and thoughts differentiate
reality, DQ/SQ.  

It is difficult for me to accept that in a DQ/SQ format of metaphysics, DQ
is unknowable.  Indefinable is not unknowable.  I want DQ to be experienced
emotionally.  This values indefinable emotions, in the DQ/SQ conception of
metaphysics.

I feel your statement:

>>> There is nothing to say about DQ, the Ultimate Truth.  It is indeterminate.
>>> Do you not understand 'indivisible, undefinable and unknowable'?

is confusing the indefinable with "unknowable" which would negate Pirsig's
use of DQ in discriminating reality DQ/SQ.  Emotions are perceived.  They
are conceived descriptively in metaphor and analogy.

Joe  


On 5/31/12 1:14 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr@att....> wrote:

>
> Hi Joe,
>
>
>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I consider perceptions to be experiences of the senses: seeing, tasting,
> touching, smelling and hearing.  Are you using the term to mean something
> different?
>  
>  
> Marsha
>
>
>
> On May 31, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau@comc...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Marsha and All,
>>
>> I want to consider the difference between emotional perception and
>> intellectual conception.
>>
>> For myself emotional perception is DQ.  There is no way to confine
>> individualized emotional perceptions to a definition.  Emotions stand alone.
>> The DQ perception of evolving reality as levels in existence is indefinable.
>>
>> Intellectual conception SQ is perceived in a definable concept differing
>> from the indefinable evolutionary perception of reality.  The intellect is
>> able to define evolution, static levels in existence.  Remarkably people
>> usually walk upright on two legs.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/12 9:40 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>
>>> There is nothing to say about DQ, the Ultimate Truth.  It is indeterminate.
>>> Do you not understand 'indivisible, undefinable and unknowable'?
>>
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