Hi Marsha and All,

Metaphysics have been around for awhile.  "Confusion" is a decent word.

Joe

On 6/2/12 1:37 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr@att....> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> There seems to be a confusion in conceptually differentiating between
> experiencing directly the undifferentiated with no information and
> experiencing directly the perceptual (sounds, sights, feelings, smells &
> taste) with its new information?  I see the difficulty, but isn't the purpose
> of philosophy to address this type of problem?  And it is about radical
> empiricism, isn't it?  What should be sacrificed?
>
> Ever wonder what answers would appear with a different set of questions?
> Reminds me of the "measurement problem".
>
>
> Marsha
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 2, 2012, at 2:15 AM, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> How do perceptions and the apparatus that shape them interact with patterns?
>> Do they co-evolve?
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau@comc...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>
>>> Metaphysics formats our experience of reality.  Pirsig observed DQ/SQ in his
>>> experience.  He observed that DQ/SQ described the experience of reality.
>>> Emotions are not thoughts like S/O. Emotions and thoughts differentiate
>>> reality, DQ/SQ.
>>>
>>> It is difficult for me to accept that in a DQ/SQ format of metaphysics, DQ
>>> is unknowable.  Indefinable is not unknowable.  I want DQ to be experienced
>>> emotionally.  This values indefinable emotions, in the DQ/SQ conception of
>>> metaphysics.
>>>
>>> I feel your statement:
>>>
>>>>>> There is nothing to say about DQ, the Ultimate Truth.  It is
>>>>>> indeterminate.
>>>>>> Do you not understand 'indivisible, undefinable and unknowable'?
>>>
>>> is confusing the indefinable with "unknowable" which would negate Pirsig's
>>> use of DQ in discriminating reality DQ/SQ.  Emotions are perceived.  They
>>> are conceived descriptively in metaphor and analogy.
>>>
>>> Joe  
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/31/12 1:14 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>
>>>> I consider perceptions to be experiences of the senses: seeing, tasting,
>>>> touching, smelling and hearing.  Are you using the term to mean something
>>>> different?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau@comc...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marsha and All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to consider the difference between emotional perception and
>>>>> intellectual conception.
>>>>>
>>>>> For myself emotional perception is DQ.  There is no way to confine
>>>>> individualized emotional perceptions to a definition.  Emotions stand
>>>>> alone.
>>>>> The DQ perception of evolving reality as levels in existence is
>>>>> indefinable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Intellectual conception SQ is perceived in a definable concept differing
>>>>> from the indefinable evolutionary perception of reality.  The intellect is
>>>>> able to define evolution, static levels in existence.  Remarkably people
>>>>> usually walk upright on two legs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/30/12 9:40 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is nothing to say about DQ, the Ultimate Truth.  It is
>>>>>> indeterminate.
>>>>>> Do you not understand 'indivisible, undefinable and unknowable'?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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