Joe,

What?  I thought the quote you offered was perfect?  That's why I offered the big smile.


Marsha



On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau@comc...> wrote:

> :-( ?
>
>
> On 6/2/12 2:27 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau@comc...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>
>>> "The world comes to us in an endless stream of puzzle pieces that we would
>>> like to think all fit together some how, but that in fact never do.  There
>>> are always some pieces like platypi that don't fit and we can either ignore
>>> these pieces or we can give them silly explanations or we can take the whole
>>> puzzle apart and try other ways of assembling it that will include more of
>>> them.  When one takes the whole ill-shaped, misfitting structure of a
>>> subject-object explained universe apart and puts it back together in a
>>> value-centered metaphysics, all kinds of orphaned puzzle pieces fit
>>> beautifully that never fit before.
>>>
>>>   (Lila, Chapter 8)
>>>
>>> On 6/2/12 12:15 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The Metaphysics of Quality subscribes to what is called empiricism. It
>>>> claims
>>>> that all legitimate human knowledge arises from the senses or by thinking
>>>> about what the senses provide. Most empiricists deny the validity of any
>>>> knowledge gained through imagination, authority, tradition, or purely
>>>> theoretical reasoning. They regard fields such as art, morality, religion,
>>>> and
>>>> metaphysics as unverifiable. The Metaphysics of Quality varies from this by
>>>> saying that the values of art and morality and even religious mysticism are
>>>> verifiable...".
>>>>
>>>>   (LILA, Chapter 8)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau@comc...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marsha and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the phrase "levels in existence" to describe the meaning of
>>>>> evolution.  Pirsig described DQ as indefinable.  In my experience emotional
>>>>> experience fits that description.  The apparatus for knowledge in a
>>>>> sentient
>>>>> being includes emotion and intellect.  Instinctive and definitive
>>>>> characterize DQ/SQ
>>>>>
>>>>> Describing the apparatus of emotions interacting with thoughts as DQ/SQ is
>>>>> (can you pick a word?)  I am content with Pirsig's indefinable/definable
>>>>> suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/12 11:15 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How do perceptions and the apparatus that shape them interact with
>>>>>> patterns?
>>>>>> Do they co-evolve?
>>>>>
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