The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.
Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.
Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.
(Written by Lao-tzu
From a translation by S. Mitchell)
On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Joseph Maurer <jhmau@comc...> wrote:
> Hi Marsha and All,
> "Fundamental nature" is a mouthful! Is it a definition for reality? I
> conceptualize "logic" as being unable to describe evolution in terms of
> SQ/DQ, defined/indefinable reality.
> Indefinable reality is individualized DQ and can only be described in
> analogical terms. The acceptance of indefinable DQ reality reveals
> sentience DQ/SQ.
> In the past S/O was proposed as a logical (metaphysical) base. This placed
> sentience in a horrible bind to define all of reality. This made definition
> equal to a mathematical certainty, denying evolution. Creation was more
> acceptable than metaphysics. Metaphysics is logic beyond mathematics.
> Evolution is logical as levels in existence.
> Pirsig saw that there are indefinable emotions like love. "Definition" is
> not a metaphysical term but a physical term. Something in our experience
> remains indefinable DQ. I do not like the term "fundamental nature". I
> prefer "evolution" as levels in existence.
> On 6/25/12 1:31 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>> But under it all, the fundamental nature of sq is DQ.
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