Yes, the good ol' Tao Te Ching, in its endless translations.
Let us do some word substitution. Let us change Tao into Love.
The Love that can be named is not Love
Naming a love creates particular loves
Both Love and its manifestations come from the same place
This place can be called light
Light within light.
So, it is not so much what words are used in this tranlation, it is
how the words are used. We can name many manifestations of Quality,
for this is simply the description to Maia. That is, the world of
appearances. However, any appearance must have a source for it to
appear. This source is (for simple semantic reasons) Quality.
This is one reason why I have stated that Quality and Tao cannot be
the same thing. For Quality brings in the mystery and Maia are the
manifestations. This could also be translated as DQ being the
mystery, and SQ being the manifestations. These are the two which
come from the one (Quality). However, according to the Tao te Ching,
from the Tao comes the one (Quality). Therefore the Tao is one step
removed from Quality.
There are many words to translate Tao. It can be called The Way,
which is not really any thing. It can also be called The Reason,
which is also not any thing. I like to call it The Intention, which
is also not any thing. In this way, I would say that The Intention
leads to Quality. Quality is an attribute of The Intention.
Please note, that such Intention does not need an "intender". There
is no reason to bring in any sort of deity. However, having said
that, the bible states that In the begining was the Word. This word
can also be called God. But it is not the God which shows up in
paintings, it is more of a Tao kind of God. The West has simply
screwed this all up due to its dependence on dialectic materialism to
make sense of everything. Remember, I am not religious, and I have no
use for Aristotelian Theism.
On 6/26/12, MarshaV <valkyr@att....> wrote:
> Tao Te Ching
> Chapter One
> The tao that can be told
> is not the eternal Tao
> The name that can be named
> is not the eternal Name.
> The unnamable is the eternally real.
> Naming is the origin
> of all particular things.
> Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
> Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.
> Yet mystery and manifestations
> arise from the same source.
> This source is called darkness.
> Darkness within darkness.
> The gateway to all understanding.
> (Written by Lao-tzu
> From a translation by S. Mitchell)
> On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Joseph Maurer <jhmau@comc...> wrote:
>> Hi Marsha and All,
>> "Fundamental nature" is a mouthful! Is it a definition for reality? I
>> conceptualize "logic" as being unable to describe evolution in terms of
>> SQ/DQ, defined/indefinable reality.
>> Indefinable reality is individualized DQ and can only be described in
>> analogical terms. The acceptance of indefinable DQ reality reveals
>> sentience DQ/SQ.
>> In the past S/O was proposed as a logical (metaphysical) base. This
>> sentience in a horrible bind to define all of reality. This made
>> equal to a mathematical certainty, denying evolution. Creation was more
>> acceptable than metaphysics. Metaphysics is logic beyond mathematics.
>> Evolution is logical as levels in existence.
>> Pirsig saw that there are indefinable emotions like love. "Definition"
>> not a metaphysical term but a physical term. Something in our experience
>> remains indefinable DQ. I do not like the term "fundamental nature". I
>> prefer "evolution" as levels in existence.
>> On 6/25/12 1:31 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr@att....> wrote:
>>> But under it all, the fundamental nature of sq is DQ.
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