As we know we are discussing a description of Quality which Pirsig brought to our attention almost 40 years ago.
As a description of Quality using metaphysical tools, there are certain principles that guide such metaphysics.
I hate to break this to you Mark but neither ZMM nor LILA is a 'description of Quality'. I'd like to know where you find that Pirsig DESCRIBES Quality.
I am not sure what you think I have upside down, since you do not say. I am not sure if I am supposed to guess what these are. Perhaps you can present what you mean. Maybe a paragraph on Pirsig's MoQ from you would be helpful.
You are dodging Mark. I was responding directly to your statement that ideas come before DQ. This is like saying that Newton wrote his Law of Gravity at his writing desk...then went out for a snooze in his garden where an apple fell on his head which, of course woke him from his slumbers after which he exclaims: 'See, that's gravity!'
Or, where Archimedes runs naked through the streets exclaiming 'Eureka, eureka' and then, on recommendation of his fellow citizens takes a much needed bath and says: 'See!'.
You have it upside down, arse about, reverse order. First you have DQ then you get the ideas. This was in reference to David's suggestion for you to re-evaluate your statement and he quoted Pirsig:
A direct quote from Lila:
"Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, the source of all things, completely simple and always new."
Well Andre, perhaps you should stop dancing then and put down some philosophy in this forum. How about it, Chum? Stop all this cheerleading and give us some thoughts on Quality.
You are incorrigible most times Mark. Marsha made the suggestion of your 'intellectual jumps and heel-clicks' as she termed it. I agreed with her and keep on agreeing with her that it is very annoying.
You keep on wanting 'thoughts on Quality'. You think the MoQ is one 'description' of Quality. Jeez man, what is there to say about Quality? A 'nothingness within which there is great working'? ( a la Katigiri Roshi?)
Your heaven in which, for all eternity 10.000 angels sing the cantates of Bach in reverence to your holy trinity?
What's your obsession with knowing about Quality?
It is all in how one uses Quality that matters.
This is a nice example of what I mean. Your 'how one uses Quality'[????] as if it is some thing to be handled??????????????????