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m : moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org 4 August 2012 • 5:18PM -0400

[MD] the wall
by MarshaV

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"While I am thinking about it there is a very good book on Buddhism recently out called 'Buddhism, Plain and Simple', by Steve Hagen and published by Tuttle Publishing. I recommend you get it because it shows the similarities, between the MOQ and Zen Buddhism more clearly than any other I have seen."

Pirsig to McWatt, May 6th 1998.

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"We can't comprehend Reality with our intellects.  We can't pull it into a static view of some thing.  All our explanations are necessarily provisional.  They're just rigid frames of what is actually motion and fluidity.  In other words, if you think of how Reality is, you can be sure that's how it isn't.  Reality simply cannot be put into conceptual form --- not even through analogy, for there's nothing like it.  Reality simply doesn't fit into concepts at all.  

(Hagen, Steve, ‘Buddhism: Plain and Simple’, p.71)

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RMP:
... Remember that the central reality of the MOQ is not an object or a subject or anything else. It is understood by direct experience only and not by reasoning of any kind...

DG:
Direct experience does not mean direct experience per se but rather experience directly perceived. It may just be a matter of semantics but I have always argued there is no such thing as direct experience. Now I sense I have been looking at the question backwards, so to speak.

RMP:
Yes
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