OK so we both "recognise" the myth ... your final two paras seem to
hold the main point where we're missing each other somewhere ... You
> you can't escape death ian. i don't get your point. or
> are you saying you don't want to see this social model
> of reality end? our society is insane, totally fucked
> man. isn't that obvious? do i need to make a list?
> point is society is never going to fix society; it
> can't - political change is not the answer. only the
> individual can transform society; how? by transforming
> himself, by transcending the social locus of control -
> the ego.
Yep, I can't as an individual escape biological death.
Yep, there is a lot wrong wth our society ... don't think I need a list.
So yep, I'd like the prevailing model of society to end.
I genuinely believe I understand where my ego might get in the way of
my relationship with the world ... if I let it ... I think we agreed
in an earlier thread that "getting out of the way" is an appropriate
relationship with the world.
So ... you say social change / political change (for the better) is impossible.
I'd say it's very difficult - but not impossible - requiring a lot of
hearts and minds changing on many levels, cultural views of values
etc. ... it's the giant that needs changing in my approach.
Anyway, accepting that task as impossible you seem to say ... (let me
put words in your mouth) ... "to hell with the rest of the existing
world" ... it's already on its way out anyway. I (Gav) personally will
retreat into my own ego-transcendant world where I can interact with
the natural world on its own terms ... true to my own belief ... end
of story ?
I have to ask ... do you have loved ones in that world ... people who
are perhaps unwittingly part of that giant ? Or do you see "us" (you
and the entities you care about) as quite distinct from "them" (those
that comprise the giant) ?
I guess what I can't quite believe is that in a world where all of us
(all the enlightened survivors anyway) have transcended our egos and
relinquished any social control - that there is or will be no society
at all ? We've not just done away with the prevailing model of society
- we actually have no society ?
Society can never fix society ... as you put it ... so individuals
must detroy it ?
These are purely practical questions for me.