Again for what it's worth, I suspect I can talk with reasonable assumption that certainly myself [and judging by the noticeable LACK of 'posts' lately]; the majority of us have frankly had ENOUGH of the bickering of a select few!
It in my opinion that it is / has bordered on disgusting that this forum has degraded to such an extent from what I found it to be only a month or so back when I subscribed to it.
The worst part is that new people and future list subscribers will find all of this narkiness in the archives and will not bother to contribute, let alone join the forum because it now [overall] reeks of ill natured content.
This WAS a mature & enjoyable forum, but those qualities have now eroded, possibly irreparably, and that is indeed a very sad shame.
I'm sure Pirsig would be absolutely beside himself with abhorrence if he were ever to monitor what this arena has become. For the rest of us; the only way out that I can foresee, is to re-instate the level of intellectual constructive conversation that went before this rather major glitch.