On 06/07/2012 10:45 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> On 7 June 2012 16:22, Albert Wagner<albertwagner@cox....>  wrote:
>> On 06/07/2012 02:03 AM, Colin Law wrote:
>>> On 7 June 2012 00:12, Albert Wagner<albertwagner@cox....>    wrote:
>>>> On 06/06/2012 09:42 AM, Ryan Gauger wrote:
>>>>> On 06/06/2012 09:39 AM, Albert Wagner wrote:
>>>>>> On 06/06/2012 08:28 AM, Ryan Gauger wrote:
>>>>>>> Is Unity also a shell for GNOME? It's a bit confusing... :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is because so many here erroneously use the phrase "Gnome 3" to
>>>>>> refer to the "Gnome 3 Shell".  Unity, Gnome 3 Shell, Kubuntu, and
>>>>>> Xubuntu
>>>>>> all sit on top of Gnome 3.  Several other distros dirivative of Ubuntu
>>>>>> also,
>>>>>> obviously, use Gnome 3 (not the Shell).  Also, Mint has two Debian
>>>>>> based
>>>>>> distros that use Gnome 3, but use XFCE or Cinnamon for the desktop.
>>>>>>   SolusOS
>>>>>>   currently ships Gnome 2 and has begun development on a Gnome2  exact
>>>>>> lookalike, but sitting on top of Gnome 3.
>>>>>>
>>>>> KDE isn't built off GNOME 3. GNOME 3 has nothing to do with KDE, XFCE,
>>>>> or
>>>>> LXDE.
>>>>>
>>>> Really?  One of us is definitely confused :)
>>> I think for once Ryan is right, unless I am also confused.  I thought
>>> that GNOME (on which Unity runs), KDE, XFCE and LXDE are alternative,
>>> independent, desktop environments.  Can you provide a reference
>>> showing how KDE "sits on top of" Gnome, as you stated above?
>>>
>> I was thinking of Kubuntu (which is now being cast off by Ubuntu).
> Kubuntu uses KDE which is not based on Gnome
Yet, Ubuntu is based on Gnome.  So what do you think differentiated
Kubuntu from a non-Ubuntu KDE distribution.  Was there nothing at all
left of Ubuntu in Kubuntu?
>> It is true that everyone previously dependent on Gnome2 is now in hybrid
>> mode, frantically working to insure that Gnome3(NOT THE SHELL) eventually
>> replaces all of gnome2 in their own distribution; Ubuntu no more, no less
>> than anyone else.  What gives you the idea that Unity has some peculiar
>> magic that allows it and no one else to utilize Gnome3(NOT THE SHELL)?
> Who is that addressed to?  I never suggested anything of the sort.
>
> Colin
I am sorry.  I thought you had.
I think that we are having a tragic failure to communicate.  I tried to
clarify the cause of that failure in my original post ("That is because
so many here erroneously use the phrase 'Gnome 3' to refer to the 'Gnome
3 Shell'".)  In my thinking "Gnome 2 Panel" and "Gnome 3 Shell" are
merely GUIs: What you refer to as "alternative, independent, desktop
environments".  When I refer to simply Gnome2 or Gnome3 I mean the huge
body of underlying applications, usually but not always, bound to a
version of the Gimp Tool Kit(1.0-3.4)  Some, like Nautilus, are tightly
bound to Gnome, but most are not.  It's probably a good time to remember
that originally I was attempting to answer Ryan's statement: "Is Unity
also a shell for GNOME? It's a bit confusing... :)"

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