On Jul/23/2012 4:5351 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: > On 22/07/12 12:47, AV3 wrote: >> On Jul/21/2012 3:5859 PM, Robert Holtzm wrote: >>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 10:41:51AM -0400, AV3 wrote: >>> >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ........snip........ >>>> >>>> >>>> In a well-moderated newsgroup a moderator maintains minimally polite >>>> relevance. Recently in one such newsgroup, an arrogant teenager >>>> making snide comments and announcing himself a member of the >>>> development group was publicly reproached and probably privately >>>> told to restrict his comments and claims, because his subsequent >>>> contributions were fewer and quite modest. Hopefully, moderation >>>> will make him a better adult. >>>> >>>> >>>> Often a moderator will announce the closing of a thread that has >>>> become irrelevant to the group description by off-topic or impolite >>>> discussion. The moderator(s) performs a difficult and time-consuming >>>> task out of loyalty to the group and topic. >>> >>> What you're referring to are mailing lists, not newsgroups. You're >>> reading the lists on gmane using T'bird in NNTP mode. The tip off should >>> be the address you sent your post to: ubuntu-users@list.... >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â >>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ^^^^^ >> >> >> Pardon my ignorance. I thought message groups exchanged messages by >> e-mail. To access those messages I subscribe to message groups run by >> organizations and interest groups I belong to. I was a moderator for >> one such Yahoogroup. Various groups send me contributions to the group >> or summaries, as I request. >> >> >> The full name for my access to gmane is news.gmane.org, and I access >> it through T-bird newsgroups. Its messages are only to be read by news >> applications like T-bird and MT-Newswatcher on my Mac. That is true >> for a number of nntp and news lists I subscribe to. There is an iPad >> application, too, but I am only experimenting with using it. I think >> there is a gmane-message-group, but I have had no occasion to visit >> gmane's web page, if there is one. >> >> >> Both species of messages can be accessed by browser on-line in >> archives. I believe that is an alternative way of participating, >> certainly for Yahoogroups. Browser reading and posting merges the two >> species. >> >> >>> >>> BTW, I well remember the obnoxious adolescent you mentioned. Don't >>> remember what list he polluted but he was roasted in short order. His >>> posts became a lot more acceptable thereafter. >>> >> >> >> I was being coy. This was the list, and it was my way of thanking the >> hard-working, self-sacrificing moderator(s) concerned. > > /quote > > Gmane (pronounced "mane") is an e-mail to news gateway. It allows users > to access electronic mailing lists as if they were Usenet newsgroups, > and also through a variety of web interfaces. Gmane is an archive; it > never expires messages (unless explicitly requested by users). Gmane > also supports importing list postings made prior to a list's inclusion > on the service. > > /unquote > > Note the statement that, "... Gmane is an archive." > > However, the most interesting part about this, ubuntu users mail list is > what is found here: > > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user > > where is shows that ubuntu, unlike any other mail list which I have > belonged to, allows any Tom, Dick, and Harry to post to the list (this > list) without having to first subscribe to it - and which, to me at > least, means that nobody who is accessing this list can be thrown off > because they don't appear on the subscription list. In order > words...Moderators: pphhhtttttt! and "up yours!" > > Here is the bit which shows this, "Status posting allowed". > > And which is why, AV3, you are posting here thru gmane. >
news.gmane.org is more versatile than news groups, but in Thunderbird it functions like pure newsgroups news.sunsite.dk and news.aioe.org, to which I subscribe in exactly the same manner. As a very infrequent contributor (I have lost the ability to install Ubuntu on a partition of my MacBookPro5,3), I just had to respond to an e-mail request from gmane to confirm my existence in order to have the right to post. I suppose that demand came from an automaton, not a human moderator.
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