> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Peter_Ford@blm.... [mailto:Peter_Ford@blm....]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. März 2009 20:55
> An: Turbine Users List
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Getting started
> Yes, I tried the turbine:deploy step but it failed because it was
> unable to
> download the JavaMail and Activation Framework jars (which I have,
> actually, but I don't understand Maven well enough to know how I can
> these into the repository).
[JH> ] find your user.home/.maven/repository directory underneath it you
should find a directory javax.mail and javax.activation. Put the jars in the
jars folder inside of each directory.
> But that's not the point. I have to point out that I'm trying to
> Turbine, not Meta or Maven, and I don't time to fix these or even to
> the time understanding them - right now, either they work and get the
> Turbine app built, or they don't. We have no use for these, and if it's
> possible to build a Turbine app without one or both then that's the end
> it. But most important is that without sources, the demo is worthless.
> As I
> pointed out earlier, Velocity (and Betwixt, and Digester, and
> Configuration...) have sample code and simple instructions that can get
> working with them in a few hours at most. Turbine is *BADLY* lacking in
> having something similar; I should have been able to use Turbine the
> day I started looking at it, but six days on it's still a closed book.
[JH> ] I agree with you in the point that we are lacking documentation. But
generating it would take weeks if not months. You said you only have today.
I am not a magician, just some guy sitting at home in his free time, trying
to help you get it up and running quickly. That is why I said use it.
[JH> ] It seems to me as if you want to testdrive a Ferrari. You look around
and find no user manual. You go to the salesman and say hey, there is no
user manual, I cannot use it. The Salesman says: "Yes I understand this is a
problem, but all the development went into the car, there were no resources
left to generate the user manual. We are terribly sorry about the fact. But
let me help you start the car. Turn the Key, Hit the Clutch, Push down the
Gas. Play with the gas, that will keep it running." So you go and try, but
fail, because (of course) the car is new, you stall the engine. So you again
go to the salesman and say "I cannot get it running. Why is there no manual?
All other cars I tried have one!" So the salesman says "Yes sir, I
understand. Sorry, but we have had no more resources for the manual. We had
to create the cheapest Ferrari on the Market. It is the fastest in getting
up to 100km/h. It will help you get to your target faster than any other car
you tried. Let me help you once more..." Like with the Ferrari it takes time
to know turbine. But once you know it, it will get you to your target
quicker than any other framework, because of all the features out of the
> It is looking very, very doubtful that we'll be able to take on Turbine
> here; even if by some miracle I can get the demo working, the lack of
> real tutorial or code samples is almost certain to kill even the the
> of using it stone dead.
[JH> ] I am very sad that you will not take the time to try to get the
engine running again.
[JH> ] Maybe you will find time to review turbine at a later point. Maybe
then we will have had the resources to generate the user manual.