SWM wrote:

>Joseph Polanik wrote:

>>SWM wrote:

>>>iro3isdx wrote:

>>>>SWMirsky wrote:

>>>>>I don't know what you mean by "a personal quality" though.

>>>>My point was just that say "person X" is conscious", while we say
>>>>"person Y is aware of Z". So we ascribe "conscious" to a person, and
>>>>we ascribe "aware" to a relation.

>>>Okay. My point is what does it mean to say "person X is conscious"?
>>>What does it mean to be conscious? When we look at the uses we see
>>>that we mean ...

>>when we 'look at the uses' we see uses --- plural.

>I don't know what you mean. Of course it's plural. That's what I said.

yes. you admitted that there are multiple uses; but, you recognize only
one, the synonymous use.

>I am open to seeing examples which would make the case that there are
>differences in meaning that are relevant to this question of whether
>the terms are always synonymous.

Neil gave you an example (the dog is aware but not conscious) where they
terms are not interchangeable. I just gave you an example (seeing an
captivating movie) where the terms are used simultaneously to make a
contrast. they can't possibly mean the same thing when they are used to
make a contrast.

Neil even gave a rule to example the pattern of the contrasting usage:
"My point was just that say 'person X' is conscious', while we say
'person Y is aware of Z'. So we ascribe 'conscious' to a person, and we
ascribe 'aware' to a relation."

Joe


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